Pedro Ebro Posted May 31 Report Posted May 31 I can't find Vivaldi's Adagio RV314, can anyone help me? I only need the violin part that starts with "pichicatto"
Stephen Fine Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 RV314 is a violin concerto in G? It appears to be up on IMSLP. I don't see any pichicatto or pizzicato. https://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/d/de/IMSLP814906-PMLP122981-Vivaldi_314_score.pdf
Mansfield Piggot Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 Here's an Adagio from RV314 with pizz throughout in the accompaniment, but it's not the same piece the RV314 in your link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFzupkHrc-k
Stephen Fine Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 Wow. That's beautiful playing on that Adagio. What's weird is if you go to the rest of the album, the first movement and the third movement are the RV314 on IMSLP. I wonder if it's an alternate 2nd movement or if he borrowed it from elsewhere (or if some other editor of the past did). Also, Pedro, you should know that if that pizzicato part exists, there's a good chance that it's a continuo part, which is to say you have to know how to read a continuo part.
Mansfield Piggot Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 It is nice. I think I will look for it for myself. Vivaldi might be funny with movements scattered like that. I remember I got assigned the Vivaldi double concerto (A minor?) and the slow movement in the edition I had wasn't the same one as in the recording I listened to, maybe Oistrakh and Stern
Mansfield Piggot Posted Sunday at 06:02 AM Report Posted Sunday at 06:02 AM On 6/5/2026 at 10:51 AM, Stephen Fine said: Also, Pedro, you should know that if that pizzicato part exists, there's a good chance that it's a continuo part, which is to say you have to know how to read a continuo part. For a concerto with orchestra, parts would have been written out, not a realized figured bass. The recording is using a theorbo for continuo instead of a harpsichord, which I always hate, I wonder even how authentic it is really, and here it's even interfering with the plucked written accompaniment, since it's the same kind of sound
Altgeiger Posted Sunday at 12:52 PM Report Posted Sunday at 12:52 PM (edited) If you go to the 'Parts' tab on the above-linked IMSLP page, you'll find a set with the number 'RISM 212000176', which contains the slow movement you're looking for. The uploader (?) notes that the slow movement may not be by Vivaldi, and I'm inclined to agree, though I like it. 8 hours ago, Mansfield Piggot said: The recording is using a theorbo for continuo instead of a harpsichord, which I always hate, I wonder even how authentic it is really, and here it's even interfering with the plucked written accompaniment, since it's the same kind of sound I agree on both counts: in the atmosphere where a lot of Vivaldi's music was performed, I'd put a theorbo down as unlikely, and it's not a great choice here. It's picturesque, though, and it sticks up above the orchestra so everyone knows they're hearing Proper Baroque Music, ergo instant authenticity. (EDIT: I looked it up: there were theorbo players at the Ospedale.) Edited Sunday at 02:08 PM by Altgeiger Oops
Mansfield Piggot Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM Report Posted Sunday at 06:47 PM 5 hours ago, Altgeiger said: If you go to the 'Parts' tab on the above-linked IMSLP page, you'll find a set with the number 'RISM 212000176', which contains the slow movement you're looking for. The uploader (?) notes that the slow movement may not be by Vivaldi, and I'm inclined to agree, though I like it. Yep, here it is in RV314a. It starts 4 lines up from the bottom of page 8. A lot of the melody in the recording is someone's ornamentations, compared to what's on the page. AI says Pisendel wrote out a fully ornamented version but it isn't clear if this is it or not. AI also says it's by Vivaldi, just a variant https://ks15.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/e/e2/IMSLP331549-PMLP122981-311388434_RV_314a.pdf
Altgeiger Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM Report Posted Sunday at 08:01 PM 1 hour ago, Mansfield Piggot said: AI also says I fail to see how that's relevant.
Mansfield Piggot Posted Sunday at 08:46 PM Report Posted Sunday at 08:46 PM ^Ok then, what's your evidence it isn't Vivaldi?
Altgeiger Posted Sunday at 09:33 PM Report Posted Sunday at 09:33 PM I listened to it and thought, "That doesn't sound like Vivaldi." I wouldn't take that too seriously, but it's still better than AI.
Stephen Fine Posted Sunday at 10:19 PM Report Posted Sunday at 10:19 PM Nice! Good find. On 5/31/2026 at 7:15 AM, Pedro Ebro said: I can't find Vivaldi's Adagio RV314, can anyone help me? I only need the violin part that starts with "pichicatto" Pedro, I hope you check back in to see that the part is available on IMSLP.
Dr. Mark Posted Thursday at 02:53 AM Report Posted Thursday at 02:53 AM On 6/5/2026 at 10:51 AM, Stephen Fine said: Wow. That's beautiful playing on that Adagio. I agree. Interesting violin also - it sounds like it wants to make some bad notes but the violinist isn't allowing it.
Mansfield Piggot Posted 10 hours ago Report Posted 10 hours ago ^A sound near the edge of turning into a bad sound can be a great sound
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