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Wow.  That's beautiful playing on that Adagio.

What's weird is if you go to the rest of the album, the first movement and the third movement are the RV314 on IMSLP.

I wonder if it's an alternate 2nd movement or if he borrowed it from elsewhere (or if some other editor of the past did).

Also, Pedro, you should know that if that pizzicato part exists, there's a good chance that it's a continuo part, which is to say you have to know how to read a continuo part.

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It is nice.  I think I will look for it for myself.  Vivaldi might be funny with movements scattered like that.  I remember I got assigned the Vivaldi double concerto (A minor?) and the slow movement in the edition I had wasn't the same one as in the recording I listened to, maybe Oistrakh and Stern

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On 6/5/2026 at 10:51 AM, Stephen Fine said:

Also, Pedro, you should know that if that pizzicato part exists, there's a good chance that it's a continuo part, which is to say you have to know how to read a continuo part.

For a concerto with orchestra, parts would have been written out, not a realized figured bass.  The recording is using a theorbo for continuo instead of a harpsichord, which I always hate, I wonder even how authentic it is really, and here it's even interfering with the plucked written accompaniment, since it's the same kind of sound

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If you go to the 'Parts' tab on the above-linked IMSLP page, you'll find a set with the number 'RISM 212000176', which contains the slow movement you're looking for.  The uploader (?) notes that the slow movement may not be by Vivaldi, and I'm inclined to agree, though I like it.

8 hours ago, Mansfield Piggot said:

The recording is using a theorbo for continuo instead of a harpsichord, which I always hate, I wonder even how authentic it is really, and here it's even interfering with the plucked written accompaniment, since it's the same kind of sound

I agree on both counts: in the atmosphere where a lot of Vivaldi's music was performed, I'd put a theorbo down as unlikely, and it's not a great choice here.  It's picturesque, though, and it sticks up above the orchestra so everyone knows they're hearing Proper Baroque Music, ergo instant authenticity.

(EDIT: I looked it up: there were theorbo players at the Ospedale.)

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5 hours ago, Altgeiger said:

If you go to the 'Parts' tab on the above-linked IMSLP page, you'll find a set with the number 'RISM 212000176', which contains the slow movement you're looking for.  The uploader (?) notes that the slow movement may not be by Vivaldi, and I'm inclined to agree, though I like it.

Yep, here it is in RV314a.  It starts 4 lines up from the bottom of page 8.  A lot of the melody in the recording is someone's ornamentations, compared to what's on the page.  AI says Pisendel wrote out a fully ornamented version but it isn't clear if this is it or not.  AI also says it's by Vivaldi, just a variant

https://ks15.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/e/e2/IMSLP331549-PMLP122981-311388434_RV_314a.pdf

 

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Nice!  Good find.  

On 5/31/2026 at 7:15 AM, Pedro Ebro said:

I can't find Vivaldi's Adagio RV314, can anyone help me? I only need the violin part that starts with "pichicatto"

Pedro, I hope you check back in to see that the part is available on IMSLP.

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On 6/5/2026 at 10:51 AM, Stephen Fine said:

Wow.  That's beautiful playing on that Adagio.

I agree.  Interesting violin also - it sounds like it wants to make some bad notes but the violinist isn't allowing it.

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