Auction Question?

[stern]

In this last T2 Auction Lot 211 Violin labeled Giuseppe Lucci est. 2500-4000 clearly not by Lucci with a fake certificate and presented correctly as such sold for $15,340 US  nearly the same price a real one sold for in the last Berlin Auction. Tarisio was correct in stating this was not an original Lucci and neither was the certificate thus in the T2 auction. What would be the reason in paying that much for a known fake when originals can be bought for a similar amount?

 

 

 

[MaxwellS]

because people are crazy

[fragslap]

Why do you believe Tarisio's OPINION? Do they have a PhD in violin authentication?

[stern]

Sounds like you bought it to resell as authentic, that answers my question

[GeorgeH]

5 hours ago, stern said:

Tarisio was correct in stating this was not an original Lucci and neither was the certificate

Where did they state that?

[martin swan]

T2 is a bit of a mystery to me - they sold a great authentic de Barbieri at this auction for a pittance, and I find myself wondering about the "Eberle".

I'd be interested to know how you are sure the letter (and the violin) are fake ... 

If the price was near retail, why would someone buy it to resell?

[Shelbow]

Lots of stuff in previous T2 sales has been correct, German bows etc. It's a real mixed bag of an auction.

 

[IBK]

The question is: Who is deciding what is genuine and what is not? On T2 auctions they list instruments as "labeled" and on bows "stamped" This makes them not liable for whether it" is" or" is not.." Here the old saying "let the buyer beware" has great validity.

[GeorgeH]

 

8 hours ago, IBK said:

Here the old saying "let the buyer beware" has great validity.

Indeed. Tarisio does not offer public opinions on the authenticity or lack thereof on its T2 lots. A particular lot may be placed in T2 for many other parameters such as condition, quality, value, appearance, etc.

Tarisio never stated that this was or was not an original Lucci or that the certificate was fake.

 

[Televet]

T2 auctions are clearly labelled as Auctions for the trade. In the About T2  on the website it states that the instruments offered are need of restoration, of uncertain attribution or come from a trade workshop. Only one of those things need to be ticked. Since it is a trade auction it is presumably assumed that the potential buyers can make their own decisions about condition and authenticity. As Shelbow and Martin point out there are a fair  number of lots that are fully correct and auction price is auction price and sometimes we see prices that sem to be a bit wonky. IBK sums it up nicely.

[stern]

Tarisio never stated that this was or was not an original Lucci or that the certificate was fake.-

They did to me when I spoke to them. It was obvious to me the violin was not authentic as I have seen many so the certificate became suspicious which Tarisio confirmed also

[BernieR]

2 hours ago, stern said:

Tarisio never stated that this was or was not an original Lucci or that the certificate was fake.-

They did to me when I spoke to them. It was obvious to me the violin was not authentic as I have seen many so the certificate became suspicious which Tarisio confirmed also

I'd be interested to know where you see differences between that violin and those by the maker, from the Cosio archive maybe. 

[stern]

From seeing many examples. This one was obviously a fake and Tarisio acknowledged that. The certificate was suspicious also.

Martin how did you determine the DeBarbieri was authentic?

 

 

 

 

[deans]

Looks like 3 bidders went up to 5 digits and several others above the upper estimate. Maybe it was just a great player.