Schwartzinc Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 https://slippedisc.com/2025/06/famed-violin-dealer-is-sued-for-30m-alleged-fraud/
jacobsaunders Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 When you get court papers to write an expertise, one opens the folder, and it starts with the Plaintiffs charges, and one thinks, my goodness, what scoundrels. Then one reads further, and the defendants answer comes next, and as often as not one gets a quite different impression. This press article only cites (excerpts of) the plaintiffs case and nothing from the defendants. One should know already thst “Slippedisc” is a cretinous platform that invariably gets its details and conclusions wrong. So I think one should better ignore it for now
Altgeiger Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 Norman Lebrecht gives vultures a bad name. I'd wait on the courts, who at least pretend to be fair.
CantPlayChaconne Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 What in the name of L. Ron H. do we have here...
Dr. Mark Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 Yawn - not about the OP, but about the lawsuit. It could be anything from real fraud to a wealthy and spoiled plaintiff in a snit. I note there's a second lawsuit originating in Texas over a cello bow, predicated by a ruling that the bow was stolen (and subsequently confiscated), and that B&F/P&G did not have title but refused to return payment to the customer.
Michael Darnton Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 53 minutes ago, CantPlayChaconne said: What in the name of L. Ron H. do we have here... L Ron has left the building. Bob and Geoff are long gone.
CantPlayChaconne Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, Michael Darnton said: L Ron has left the building. Bob and Geoff are long gone. I just happened to be reading David Schoenbaum's "The Violin: A Social History of the World's Most Versatile Instrument" and was surprised at some of the comments in this vein about B&F's cultural quirks back in the day. I suppose you'd know better than most, that author included!
Jeffrey Holmes Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 The suit is a civil one. It's public record. You can read through all 38 pages by accessing it through the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois if you care to. I find the Slipped Disk blurb a very rudimentary snippet. One of the lawyers for the plaintiff (Zach Moen) was an assistant/apprentice to/with Gregg Alf early on I believe, so he has some experience in this industry..
Victor Roman Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 7 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: One should know already thst “Slippedisc” is a cretinous platform You're being too kind. Way too kind...
David Burgess Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 A bit more on this from another source: https://theviolinchannel.com/bein-fushi-instrument-dealers-successor-is-sued-for-alleged-fraud/
VicM Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 13 minutes ago, David Burgess said: A bit more on this from another source: https://theviolinchannel.com/bein-fushi-instrument-dealers-successor-is-sued-for-alleged-fraud/ This is going to become another Machold . I was told the owners and most of the staff were very religious and SUPER-shifty. From what I understand at the moment the Police should get involved as things seem past civil suit.
David Burgess Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 7 hours ago, Michael Darnton said: L Ron has left the building. Bob and Geoff are long gone. Would that absolve them (or their heirs) from responsibility for past real, presumed, or claimed misdeeds, unless some sort of statute of limitations has run out?
scordatura Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 5 hours ago, Jeffrey Holmes said: United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois if you care to. Can you or anyone provide a link? I went to the site and could not find it.
Michael Darnton Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 2 hours ago, David Burgess said: Would that absolve them (or their heirs) from responsibility for past real, presumed, or claimed misdeeds, unless some sort of statute of limitations has run out? In this case that issue is totally irrelevant.
David Burgess Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 2 hours ago, Michael Darnton said: In this case that issue is totally irrelevant. How can that be known, prior to all the testimony and all the arguments being completed?
Ganymede Piggot Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 Here is somebody on here defining the Gell-Mann amnesia effect, 25 years ago, two years before it had a name. On 3/4/2000 at 5:50 AM, whp4 said: I don't know if this is the case here or not, but in nearly every news story I've ever encountered where I had personal knowledge of the events being reported, some crucial detail was misunderstood, erroneously reported, or omitted, even if the facts themselves were not controversial. That tends to make me suspect that the same might be happening in news stories where I don't have inside knowledge.
Michael Darnton Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 50 minutes ago, David Burgess said: How can that be known, prior to all the testimony and all the arguments being completed? Then I guess you can wait, can't you?
fragslap Posted Thursday at 04:15 AM Report Posted Thursday at 04:15 AM Seems to me that if there WEREN'T any "written agreements," then the plaintiff is up the proverbial "s__t creek."
martin swan Posted Thursday at 09:28 AM Report Posted Thursday at 09:28 AM One of the plaintiff’s complaints seems to be that a dealership made an inordinate profit out of selling them a Strad …
lFred Posted Thursday at 10:40 AM Report Posted Thursday at 10:40 AM 1 hour ago, martin swan said: One of the plaintiff’s complaints seems to be that a dealership made an inordinate profit out of selling them a Strad … This is a thing ? "The family had invested $5.6 million in the “Thunis” Stradivarius, which they later learned had multiple undisclosed investors and had actually been acquired for less than $5 million. ".. 12% ? profit
lFred Posted Thursday at 12:12 PM Report Posted Thursday at 12:12 PM was this dismissed? https://dockets.justia.com/docket/illinois/ilndce/1:2025cv00128/470604 https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/677dff63a1dd322dec0f03b3
Jeffrey Holmes Posted Thursday at 12:23 PM Report Posted Thursday at 12:23 PM 1 hour ago, lFred said: This is a thing ? "The family had invested $5.6 million in the “Thunis” Stradivarius, which they later learned had multiple undisclosed investors and had actually been acquired for less than $5 million. ".. 12% ? profit I think that may depend on how that blurb is read... Unclear. Was it purchased from undisclosed investors or was it purchased with undisclosed investors.
scordatura Posted Thursday at 01:21 PM Report Posted Thursday at 01:21 PM 1 hour ago, lFred said: was this dismissed? https://dockets.justia.com/docket/illinois/ilndce/1:2025cv00128/470604 https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/677dff63a1dd322dec0f03b3 Not the last word but I think it is ongoing.
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