Help identify. Inherited this . Had label on an older label.

[Don m.]

Has no corner blocks or rib bracing. Oil varnish that turns into resin if scraped. No pufling on back ,may be drawn on front. Nicely carved with good arching . Fingerboard seems to have had a medallion in it. Label over a hand written label. Can't translate ,maybe 1800 at the bottom rt. Any help would be appreciated.  The bass bar is carved out of the top not glued in. 

Edited May 18 by Don m.

[FiddleDoug]

Did you take it apart, or did it fall apart by itself? Do you have the ribs? It's what's called a through neck instrument, where the neck block is integral with the neck.

The label say it was made by Johann Gottlieb Glier. The Glier family  is a well known violin making in Germany, and this one looks pretty old, but I have no idea of whether this fiddle matches the building style of that family (if not, it's mostly just firewood). Someone with better knowledge  of that would have to check in here.

At this point, it's a pile of parts that would require a skilled luthier to put it back together properly, at a pretty high  cost.

[Don m.]

Yes I have all the ribs. It was coming apart when I got it . Just finished disassemble and cleaned it up a bit. 

[Don Noon]

1 hour ago, FiddleDoug said:

just firewood

 

[Televet]

Wait just a moment... At this point you have a violin kit. It is a violin that was 'built on the back' ie without a form, and had a through neck. It also has a nice integral base bar. Not one made separately and stuck in. It may be of little monetary value but it would be worth posting some more pictures of the front and back, and of all the scroll profiles. The auction record for a J G Glier is after all $7200 (2018).

If its not a Glier then you might have a fun DIY project  @Andrew tkinson shows the BOB method of construction on his Bench thread.

[jacobsaunders]

It is not unusual for a dealer/Verleger to have stuck his label ontop of  that of whom had actually made the instrument. I reported on such instance here  

 calling it "firewood" is of course nonsense, however it will be quite diffucult to glue the through neck back on stright, and wit the right projection, so good luck with that

[fiddlecollector]

19 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

It is not unusual for a dealer/Verleger to have stuck his label ontop of  that of whom had actually made the instrument. I reported on such instance here  

The handwritting appears to say the same maker  johann Gottlieb etc.

[deans]

Many through neck violins have been rebuilt at the heel and mortised into a new block. Which may be the only way to make it reliable. Or a neck graft. 

Inside of the top looks pretty clean, often they are rougher. I have a violin with this label, with original neck. Mine has purfling, very close to the edge.

[deans]

The older label looks like the type that may have been pasted on the treble rib, and moved later.

[jacobsaunders]

9 minutes ago, fiddlecollector said:

The handwritting appears to say the same maker  johann Gottlieb etc.

The initial letter of the surname of the hand writen one doesn't look like a "G" though. there were lots of Johann Gottliebs

[Hempel]

6 hours ago, fiddlecollector said:

The handwritting appears to say the same maker  johann Gottlieb etc.

Handwritten label reads "Johann Gottfried..../Instrumentenmacher/Obersachsenberg 180.." (i.e. not Gottlieb)

[Blank face]

1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

it will be quite diffucult to glue the through neck back on stright, and wit the right projection, so good luck with that

The neck angle would have been lower than the actual projection and the right bridge height would need a wedge shaped fingerboard usually (though these aren't baroque in a historical meanning). I'm reading "Johann Gottlieb" and "geigenmacher", too, so there would be only a few dozens of makers to choose from , and after all it would have been just another old dealer's label.

Yes, and calling everything firewood what doesn't fit in an every-day pigeonhole sounds a bit shortsightened.

[Don m.]

1 hour ago, deans said:

Many through neck violins have been rebuilt at the heel and mortised into a new block. Which may be the only way to make it reliable. Or a neck graft. 

Inside of the top looks pretty clean, often they are rougher. I have a violin with this label, with original neck. Mine has purfling, very close to the edge.

The purfling on the top is drawn on very close to edge and I see under strong light it has drawn on the back as well.

[Don m.]

Here is the scroll and ribs and top and bottom.

[Strad O Various Jr.]

This was on ebay a week or two back for $500, the violin was not in pieces, that's a new thing

[Hempel]

Since the manuscript label is ostensibly from Obersachsenberg, I suggest you post pics to the following forum.  Maybe they'll recognize the surname.

https://musikinstrumentenbau.eu/

[Riccardo964]

15 hours ago, FiddleDoug said:

it's mostly just firewood

 

[martin swan]

Auction Scroll please

[Don m.]

On 5/18/2025 at 4:27 PM, Strad O Various Jr. said:

This was on ebay a week or two back for $500, the violin was not in pieces, that's a new thing

I offered her 200 and it had just a few places holding it together. 

[Don m.]

On 5/18/2025 at 12:31 PM, Don m. said:

The purfling on the top is drawn on very close to edge and I see under strong light it has drawn on the back as well.

How does it sound

[Hempel]

15 hours ago, martin swan said:

Auction Scroll please

Why don't you explain why you feel this topic belongs in the Auction Scroll.

Here's a little reminder for you: 

"The Pegbox: This forum is for discussions relating to the “hardware” side of string instruments, it should include issues relating to: making, repairing, authenticity, buying, selling, instrument values, and so on."

Had you bothered to look up the original fleabay listing, the fiddle wasn't taken to bits at the time of sale about 10 days ago.  Buyer isn't going to be able to return it to the seller (at least not without significant restoration to the pre-sale condition).

[Don m.]

1 hour ago, Hempel said:

Why don't you explain why you feel this topic belongs in the Auction Scroll.

Here's a little reminder for you: 

"The Pegbox: This forum is for discussions relating to the “hardware” side of string instruments, it should include issues relating to: making, repairing, authenticity, buying, selling, instrument values, and so on."

Had you bothered to look up the original fleabay listing, the fiddle wasn't taken to bits at the time of sale about 10 days ago.  Buyer isn't going to be able to return it to the seller (at least not with significant restoration to the pre-sale condition.).

Sorry didn't realize I was in the other forum. I had no intention of returning the violin.

[Hempel]

4 hours ago, Don m. said:

Sorry didn't realize I was in the other forum. I had no intention of returning the violin.

To be clear, my post earlier on this thread (re. Auction Scroll) wasn't directed at you; it was directed at Martin Swan, who apparently has deputized himself traffic director on this board.

That said, why did you resort to umm, subterfuge, claiming you "inherited" this particular instrument in the thread title?  Makes it difficult for anyone to defend you against tin can despots.

[Blank face]

5 hours ago, Hempel said:

To be clear, my post earlier on this thread (re. Auction Scroll) wasn't directed at you; it was directed at Martin Swan, who apparently has deputized himself traffic director on this board.

That said, why did you resort to umm, subterfuge, claiming you "inherited" this particular instrument in the thread title?  Makes it difficult for anyone to defend you against tin can despots.

You should calm down your wording or one could think you're on a personal vendetta, which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

It seems that the moderators are actually in their (well earned) holidays.

[match]

41 minutes ago, Blank face said:

It seems that the moderators are actually in their (well earned) holidays.

Oh, so we’ve got the place to ourselves? Time to start a cult or rearrange the furniture…