Could anyone identify this graft on my violin's neck ? Which brand is it?

[Mehmet Ali YILMAZ]

We bought this violin from Vienna as it has nice sound. There is no label but there is a graft on it. Is there anyone who know this sign. Could it be Edmund Glaesel??

Edited April 30 by Mehmet Ali YILMAZ

[Jerry Alberson]

Do you mean to say a Brand on it?

[MarkBouquet]

The brand is so brutally executed that I'm inclined to think that it was done by a store intending to identify it as one from their rental fleet, or a school identifying it as belonging to their loaner fleet, and not to identify a maker.

[dpappas]

agreed, a maker would have centered the brand.  

[Mehmet Ali YILMAZ]

Today, I have learnt that it was made a school in Italy and the letters could be the abrivation of it. So you're right that must be the brand. Therefore I change my question to which brand is it?

Edited April 30 by Mehmet Ali YILMAZ

[Guido]

That’s the brand of Erwin Georg Volkmann.

[nathan slobodkin]

4 hours ago, Guido said:

That’s the brand of Erwin Georg Volkmann.

Who was?

[Mehmet Ali YILMAZ]

11 hours ago, Guido said:

That’s the brand of Erwin Georg Volkmann.

Thanks a lot. I searched the name and saw same brand on a violin in Corilon violins website 

About him it is said "As a student of Julius Zölch, Volkmann underwent classical training back in his home country in keeping with the traditions of Bohemian violin making, and this ultimately paved the way for him to work at Fulda’s highly regarded music store Mollenhauer, where he stayed until 1976. On a parallel basis, he established his own workshop and completed the mastership examinations in 1963. Commissions he fulfilled for Hamma & Co. show that in these years, which certainly were not easy, Volkmann grew into a skilful master who developed his own inimitable style patterned after Italian and German classic instruments. His monogram on the back of this violin marks its status as an authentic master instrument which represents his confident artisanry."

[Violadamore]

8 hours ago, nathan slobodkin said:

Who was?

You can find him listed in Dilworth.  He was from the Sudetenland, and resettled in West Germany after WW II.   See the short bio and example of Erwin Georg Volkmann's work at Corilon: https://www.corilon.com/us/violins/master-violin-erwin-georg-volkmann

The brand design matches, but the OP's branding looks really crude compared to that on the violin sold by Corilon.

Historically, there were a number of makers named Volkmann around the Schönbach area prior to WW II.

[Foldejal]

That Corilon instrument looks really nice and clean, but the OP's stamp looks like luthier was somewhat tired after 8 beers..

[Blank face]

12 hours ago, Violadamore said:

You can find him listed in Dilworth.  He was from the Sudetenland, and resettled in West Germany after WW II.   See the short bio and example of Erwin Georg Volkmann's work at Corilon: https://www.corilon.com/us/violins/master-violin-erwin-georg-volkmann

The brand design matches, but the OP's branding looks really crude compared to that on the violin sold by Corilon.

Historically, there were a number of makers named Volkmann around the Schönbach area prior to WW II.

By no means I would rely on some sales blurb. The instrument is most likely a better Bubenreuth or Markneukirchen with a brand  a bit more carefully applied than the at the OP, which I’m expecting to be something alike.

[Violadamore]

4 hours ago, Blank face said:

By no means I would rely on some sales blurb.

I didn't, actually.  I wanted to post a link, and consider their material a good illustration of what we're discussing.  Did they misquote John Dilworth's The Brompton’s Book of Violin and Bow makers’?  Have you got any further information about the maker to post?  Do you have a better type example of an Erwin Georg Volkmann to post for our education?  Do you have anything useful to contribute to the discussion?   

BTW, I posted my post before the OP's post quoting the Corilon site appeared in this thread.  Because he's new here (only had 3 posts at the time I'm typing this), his post got held up 19 hours for moderator review.

 

[Violadamore]

4 hours ago, Blank face said:

The instrument is most likely a better Bubenreuth or Markneukirchen

At the date given for the example I linked, Volkmann was working in Löschenrod, just south of Fulda, in Hesse.  Of course his work would fit in the Saxon/Bohemian tradition visually, but it wouldn't have been made there (or in Bubenreuth). 

[Strad O Various Jr.]

1 hour ago, Violadamore said:

I didn't, actually.  I wanted to post a link, and consider their material a good illustration of what we're discussing.  Did they misquote John Dilworth's The Brompton’s Book of Violin and Bow makers’?  Have you got any further information about the maker to post?  Do you have a better type example of an Erwin Georg Volkmann to post for our education?  Do you have anything useful to contribute to the discussion?   

BTW, I posted my post before the OP's post quoting the Corilon site appeared in this thread.  Because he's new here (only had 3 posts at the time I'm typing this), his post got held up 19 hours for moderator review.

 

the difference is Blank Face has credibility as an expert

[jacobsaunders]

2 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Have you got any further information about the maker to post? 

He is listed in Vol III of Lütgendorf, by Thomas Drescher 1989, who quote extensively the questionaire that Volkmann filled out himself. No need for any advertising blurb

[Violadamore]

17 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

He is listed in Vol III of Lütgendorf, by Thomas Drescher 1989, who quote extensively the questionaire that Volkmann filled out himself. No need for any advertising blurb

Thanks.  I used the Corilon reference because it had a good bio summary, good photos, and they are one of the MN site sponsors  https://maestronet.com/dealers/ , which makes any concerns about advertising them superfluous.   Anyway, that fiddle was sold already.  Have a blessed day. 

[jacobsaunders]

4 minutes ago, Violadamore said:

they are one of the MN site sponsors

So are Messrs. Turner & Swan

[Violadamore]

2 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

So are Messrs. Turner & Swan

Yup.  Don't you wish you were? 

[Blank face]

3 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Do you have a better type example of an Erwin Georg Volkmann to post for our education?  Do you have anything useful to contribute to the discussion?   

Don't know the reason why you don't like my contribution, but I commented on the linked photo, which gives me enough informations. I've seen enough violins of this type and it's also to expect that most of the Bohemian exilants just worked this way, as selling overworked boxes from one of these centers. Everything else would have been rather uneconomical during the postwar period, and there were only a very few exceptions.

Starting an offensive dispute was neither my intention nor what I think can be useful.

[martin swan]

Corilon’s write-ups were always bubbly but since the advent of ChatGPT they have really entered the stratosphere.

[lFred]

I know nothing about Erwin Georg Volkmann.

Just a comment on Books like Lütgendorf, the Vannes : they are really useful given the number of luthier listed and  their accuracy , well they are ok. Just keep in a corner of your mind that they can be erroneous and  sometime inherit errors by copying one an other.

[jacobsaunders]

58 minutes ago, lFred said:

Just keep in a corner of your mind that they can be erroneous and  sometime inherit errors by copying one an other.

The advantage of Lütgendorff III is that the Musicologist (Drescher) who compiled it, cited his sources beneath each entry, in this case “Frageboden” that is questionaire, i.e. he asked Volkmann personally, and didn’t just copy some other lexicon.

[lFred]

Oh that's great maybe I should order one. (more book)
I Only have the  1922 edition that does not have the sources and manages to be wrong about some contemporary maker..
 

[jacobsaunders]

37 minutes ago, lFred said:

the  1922 edition that does not have the sources and manages to be wrong about some contemporary maker..

I agree with you there, the 1922 edition has plenty of mistakes, and one can follow how Henley (for instance) gives a bad translation of that, with his own tendentious brass knobs on, as if he had ever seen an instrument