? Viennese cello at Ingles & Hayday

[Brumcello]

I would appreciate opinions on this cello. The auction house are saying "labelled" so they are not remotely convinced its by Geissenhof. I'm going to look at it but wondered what experts here thought.

 

https://ingleshayday.com/auction/1026-3/cello-by-unattributed-lot123/

[duane88]

The pre-auction estimate tells you that they don't think that it is a Geissenhof.

[jacobsaunders]

I have never seen a Geissenhof with a "FG" stamp on the button, where both the "F" and the "G" respetively both have a full stop (Am. "period")

[Brumcello]

10 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

I have never seen a Geissenhof with a "FG" stamp on the button, where both the "F" and the "G" respetively both have a full stop (Am. "period")

Thanks Jacob. So a fake then?

[jacobsaunders]

Just now, Brumcello said:

Thanks Jacob. So a fake then?

yes, a hansome cello though!

[Brumcello]

1 minute ago, jacobsaunders said:

yes, a hansome cello though!

I thought so. I'll see how it plays and sounds. If the estimate is correct it might be worth it. Thanks again for your comments

[martin swan]

I wouldn't really have described this as a fake, though maybe it's a matter of semantics.

It looks to me like an unusually attractive cello of the earl C19 that someone later added this "F.G." brand to - for me a fake would be something made to be passed off as a Geissenhof.

 

[Blank face]

The rather thin and dry appearing varnish reminds me once again of (a very personal) Mittenwald 19th century work. The belly has apparently a double soundpost crack, the ribs possibly some worm damage, which should be mentioned in the condition report (?) and reflected in the pricing.

[Brumcello]

1 hour ago, Blank face said:

The rather thin and dry appearing varnish reminds me once again of (a very personal) Mittenwald 19th century work. The belly has apparently a double soundpost crack, the ribs possibly some worm damage, which should be mentioned in the condition report (?) and reflected in the pricing.

Thank you. I'll get a condition report, of course. So you dont think its Austrian?

[Blank face]

2 hours ago, Brumcello said:

Thank you. I'll get a condition report, of course. So you dont think its Austrian?

In fact, these regions were so close and related that I would not know how to distinguish it, especially not at such an idiosyncratic model like here, at least not without a comparable reference. Therefore I didn’t write „it is“ but it does remind me of the style. Won‘t make much of a difference anyway.

[cellopera]

Here’s the real deal:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/335416050769?_skw=cello&itmmeta=01JN1NXHJV1ZCYEQ2AMPHAY9GJ&hash=item4e185ac451:g:x3IAAOSwM3xmVjms&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAAwFkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dnGuE%2BMS3xTpsxpsAAeFbExgwE6Ps6la4FoaCTYmXKGTu0o5diBSrKdpAGeGaw3oGeza6Z%2FCY9a%2ByZNWybZeIa7Iy4TzbPp6KGkgXa02lqd%2Ffy5DOQ2zT4NfF69EfwEzr66wnJuGk1sR%2FnwlqHB7E7MOgga758QglVMocam57BwemOuS2G3NCzUmOBYSWmJCSYtcDfO%2BXeZ7t8Kxs94rxSYzD0H32LtBNs4ZOtcW6vJQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR96Z9rWoZQ

[martin swan]

For 40k euros do you get the cello or just the Bongartz catalogue?