Spiced-up German or actual Gagliano Copy?

[DonGiovanni]

Wondering about this Swedish violin that went out in auction recently. Seems to be a Swedish maker, Allan Carlsson, but couldn't find more info about him.
Label says that it's supposed to be a Gagliano Copy > Joseph Gagliano Filius Nicolai.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance folks

[GeorgeH]

It looks Gagliano-inspired to me and not a "spiced up German."

[DonGiovanni]

Thanks George for the answer. 

Some of the bits reminded me of some other violins that I've seen recently where they added a couple of details here and there to make them look fancier.  Wasn't sure if this was a german but just relabeled.

[Blank face]

What do you mean with German (and spiced up)?

From the few and not very in focus pictures it could have been made elsewhere as a heavy antiqued copy-style piece. The saddle might point towards Prague.

[GeorgeH]

37 minutes ago, Blank face said:

What do you mean with German (and spiced up)?

"Spiced up German" was language in the OP's title. 

I think it is "a heavy antiqued copy-style piece." Whether the maker was trying to make a bench copy of a specific Gagliano violin is anybody's guess, but it does not look like a mass-produced instrument to me.

[DonGiovanni]

I didn't edit the spiced-up part. Thought that it would be understood but maybe there's different lingo here for when some details are added after the original build such as specific saddles or button details just to make it seem something else than what it really is.

I have seen several markies like that either in this forum or in person and was wondering if this one fits also that type of work.

[GeorgeH]

9 minutes ago, DonGiovanni said:

I didn't edit the spiced-up part.

Sorry, it was in the thread title. I thought it was in the text.

[Blank face]

1 hour ago, DonGiovanni said:

I have seen several markies like that either in this forum or in person and was wondering if this one fits also that type of work.

When thinking of ”German” it could be made in the South German/Mittenwald region as well, some people even include also Austria (and consequently Prague, Budapest etc) into this nationality. That’s what I was asking. Markie would refer to the Saxon/West Bohemian industry, what appears rather unlikely here, in opposite to one of the other regions.

Though I’m wondering about the age of the violin. At first sight it might be from the late 19th century, but considering all the antiquing it could also be much later.

[DonGiovanni]

Yes I should have known better at this point that saying German of course includes the other regions, will keep that in mind next time. For some reason the word "German" came to me instead of saying "the usual" and I didn't give it a second thought.

This one according to label is from 1952.

[Shelbow]

Seems this maker liked Gagliano's 

Here is some info on one he made in 1953:

https://www.sormlandsspel.se/wp-content/uploads/samlingarna/noter/sormlandslaten/2016-2.pdf

Looks like Amati sold one in 2018 (but no pictures) 

https://app.amati.com/en/auction/1043-amati-specialist-june/41-a-violin-by-allan-carlsson-sweden-1953

[Blank face]

41 minutes ago, Shelbow said:

Seems this maker liked Gagliano's 

Here is some info on one he made in 1953:

https://www.sormlandsspel.se/wp-content/uploads/samlingarna/noter/sormlandslaten/2016-2.pdf

Looks like Amati sold one in 2018 (but no pictures) 

https://app.amati.com/en/auction/1043-amati-specialist-june/41-a-violin-by-allan-carlsson-sweden-1953

That’s looking similar to the OP violin, especially the way it’s antiqued. For the post WW2 most of the regional traditions and features cannot apply anymore as clear identification hints. Interesting that he copied that saddle design.