Interesting bow ID help

[Guido]

Here a good quality silver mounted bow.

Branded Tourte with some relevance considering the camber.

Main thing I'm curious about is the metal sleeve in the butt to guide the screw (last pic). The tube goes all the way to the mortice. I don't think it's a repair but an attempt to prevent the typical wear from new. Seems clever.

Anyone seen anything like it before?

[martin swan]

The frog looks German - the button could be French but it doesn't seem to belong to the stick. I can't really see enough of the stick to say anything.

The metal sleeve is an anomaly! I would think it's a way of adding weight or shifting the balance point. Is it lead by any chance?

 

[fiddlecollector]

is the slide pearl or silver ?

[martin swan]

Silver surely?

 

[Guido]

43 minutes ago, martin swan said:

The frog looks German - the button could be French but it doesn't seem to belong to the stick. I can't really see enough of the stick to say anything.

The metal sleeve is an anomaly! I would think it's a way of adding weight or shifting the balance point. Is it lead by any chance?

 

Thanks Martin, agree with the observations. The tube in the butt is not lead, it might be stainless steel or even silver. I don't think it is there to add weight, but rather to reduce or prevent wear. The bow is a healthy 62.5g and one could have added weight more effectively by just running the wire all the way under the leather rather than fill it with masking tape.

As for the button I can see it looks a bit large. However, the diameter matches the outside edges of the stick and I wouldn't exclude the possibility that it belongs.

[Guido]

2 minutes ago, fiddlecollector said:

is the slide pearl or silver ?

Silver

[Guido]

I thought it might be a little off the beaten track. Maybe Swiss, to throw out a wild guess as an example.

[martin swan]

The frog mortise is also wierdly off-centre. The player's side seems to coincide with the facet edge, the audience side is almost halfway down the lower diagonal facet - I can't imagine what would account for this unless someone was trying to make the wrong frog fit the stick.

[fiddlecollector]

Its one of those bows that could be French or German. Some features remind me of one or two Husson bows ive seen ,Auguste used a metal slide occasionally . The Hussons get mixed up by auction houses especially between Auguste (known as Husson-Mariet) and the one known as Mars Auguste. I see one bow in the Tarisio archive under Mars but i think its definitely Auguste (known as Husson -Mariet). Maybe im mixed up on this .

Im not saying thats what it is but some featuresremind me.

[martin swan]

Screws in the underslide?

[fiddlecollector]

13 minutes ago, martin swan said:

Screws in the underslide?

Yes one of the features going against French, though you do see screws occasionally with some makers (im excluding earlier French bows with screws)  , as is the funny stick mortice , as you pointed out , that looks widened on one side . The Throat of the frog looks more German.