French bow info request

[YvonneC]

Would love some insight about this bow. The stamp is very worn, but appears to be P Mangenot something eres” ? Perhaps “P Mangenot et freres” ? But Mangenot was a violin maker. Did he even make bows? 
The underslide is pinned, the button is pinned, the two piece heel plate is pinned.
It is a lovely bow. Any information is welcome.

[lFred]

Laberte manufactured bow stamped Paul Mangenot , but they do not look  like this.
More over usualy french did not stamped there bow like this but up side down.
 

[lFred]

for ref:

[Richf]

I can't help you much with who might have made your bow.  But of all the swanhead violin bows I've seen (many right here on this forum), yours is the only one with an octagonal shaft.  The head so elegant that it is a little jarring to see such a rude transition to the octagonal.  Maybe that's a clue to the source?  Or maybe that is not uncommon and someone here (maybe from Rue de Rome) will set me straight.  Good luck.

[Blank face]

25 minutes ago, Richf said:

But of all the swanhead violin bows I've seen (many right here on this forum), yours is the only one with an octagonal shaft.

Exactly my thought, too. Possibly the bow was overworked at some point, the brand added later? Could we see a view of the head face, and a straight view at the camfers?

[YvonneC]

Blank face, here are the pictures you asked for. Thank you so much for your help. 

[Blank face]

Thanks. Usually the chamfers at the French „Tourte“ swanhead type are completely rounded, so I‘m not sure if this is a French bow at all. My point about the face was to see if the mortise has concave sides, as it often (not always) at this French bows.

[fiddlecollector]

Ive seen some French  bows like this late 19th century by makers who didnt make alot of this model, but its rare to have the octagonal stick.

[Blank face]

7 hours ago, fiddlecollector said:

Ive seen some French  bows like this late 19th century by makers who didnt make alot of this model, but its rare to have the octagonal stick.

Do you have any idea who made if this way? Not Morizot or Bazin?

[M Alpert]

Could you show pictures of the frog from the back and the bottom? (To see the fit to the stick and the shape of the pearl slide?

Also, as Blank said, perhaps the head mortise shape could be interesting...

[YvonneC]

M Alpert, here are pictures of the frog bottom and back. Also included is the head mortise. 

I am aware that the frog is not sitting flush against the bow. I recently had it rehaired and the person that rehaired the bow could not get the frog flush. Any suggestions on how this can be resolved?

[Brad Dorsey]

5 hours ago, YvonneC said:

...the person that rehaired the bow could not get the frog flush. Any suggestions on how this can be resolved?...

The frog cannot be flush with the stick, but it should sit in close contact with the stick.  The problem with your frog could be caused by an improperly adjusted eyelet, a bent eyelet, a mis-aligned inner screw hole, a worn inner screw hole or some combination of these.  The best way for you to resolve the problem is to take the bow to someone who can fix it.

[M Alpert]

I agree with @Brad Dorsey about the frog sitting flush. You should ask get a second opinion, if the rehairer couldn't get it better than that. There can be any of a number of problems. By the angle of the screw, it might be a worn (or mis-aligned) inner screw hole. This should be fixed.

As for the ID, I agree that the stamp is odd, compared to the rest of the bow. True, most swanhead bows I've seen have round sticks (maybe all?)

But last week I saw a very nice C. Thomassin bow, 63g, with a small (normalish) head, but a thick octagonal stick. Just saying...

Personally, I don't see anything definitely "non-French" about this one (except the stamp right-side up!) Curiouser and curiouser.