French Violin ID please

[hnryhouuu]

I can’t read the label properly but the model seems to be based on 1659(?)

the violin irl is very dark, almost burnt looking, and some spots very light coloured for some reason. Is it intended to be like this?

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[jacobsaunders]

A "Usual". Never been to France, even on holiday.

[hnryhouuu]

1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

A "Usual". Never been to France, even on holiday.

So it’s German instead of French?

or it’s just the model that’s’usual’

[jacobsaunders]

17 minutes ago, hnryhouuu said:

So it’s German instead of French?

or it’s just the model that’s’usual’

A Markneukirchen/Schönbach area "Dutzendarbeit"

[Guido]

My vote is French.

Stainer "model", as labelled. I had a couple of these before.

[jacobsaunders]

10 minutes ago, Guido said:

My vote is French.

There is nothing democratic about it

[hnryhouuu]

1 hour ago, Guido said:

My vote is French.

Stainer "model", as labelled. I had a couple of these before.

oh wow my label looks almost the same

any more info on these violins, if you know?

[martin swan]

13 minutes ago, hnryhouuu said:

oh wow my label looks almost the same

any more info on these violins, if you know?

The fact that your label looks almost the same means no more than that - the label looks almost the same.

They are both facsimiles of a genuine Jacobus Stainer label.

[Blank face]

Could you show a more close up pic of the rib joints? They look mitred in the actual, but not for sure. Anyway it’s not that important if it’s Vogtlandish cottage industry or Mirecourt factory IMO.

[deans]

8 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

There is nothing democratic about it

Couldnt agree more. But its not about the statistically safest conclusion either. I also agree with BF, not really a lot at stake with this one. 

[martin swan]

3 hours ago, deans said:

I also agree with BF, not really a lot at stake with this one. 

I would slightly disagree - the Laberte Stainer models can be really good.

Unfortunately the OP's violin isn't one ...

[deans]

45 minutes ago, martin swan said:

Unfortunately the OP's violin isn't one ...

French or German? Or cant really tell (fair enough)

[martin swan]

44 minutes ago, deans said:

French or German? Or cant really tell (fair enough)

I'm with Jacob - MK/Schhhhhh ....

[Blank face]

The scroll looks certainly un-French. Just given that the rib joints are mitred (and the scroll deeply fluted) I'm wondering if it couldn't be some Mittenwald output...

A look at the bottom rib/endpin area could also be helpful.

[deans]

2 hours ago, Blank face said:

some Mittenwald output

I don't see how you could rule that out from the current pics.  To me the outline and Fs look that way. And even the scroll a little bit. But until more pics come the numbers favor Jacob.

The more I look, the more I could believe M-wald.

[Guido]

9 hours ago, deans said:

.... the numbers favor Jacob.

Good thing, too, that there is nothing democratic about it.

[Guido]

Here is another French trade Stainer "model" of similar ilk. Dated on an importer label 1933. Some better materials.

I guess most major workshops would have had a model like this in the catalogue for a few decades.

[JacksonMaberry]

As usual with any of these "Stainer models", regardless of where from, there is nothing about them that relates in any way to the actual designs and instruments of Stainer. A pity, because if they were careful studies of the master in question they'd have a better shot at being good. 

Then again, Stradivari and Guarneri "models" by makers who have never handled one generally end up the same way.