Jeffrey Holmes Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 3 hours ago, germain said: Just realized (from social media) that Eric Blot has recently opened a NY office. Yes, Eric has a NY office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 French violins are best shown to French experts! As Jeffrey has suggested, if you want to show it in person then Christophe Landon is your best bet in the US. But in this case either Rampal or Florent Boyer will be able to give you a definitive yes/no appraisal from photos. For me everything is in the wrong place, though each detail is quite persuasive individually … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 It appeared to me that the OP is located in Germany, so the best could be to send photos to Rampal (probably the will charge you for this): http://www.vatelot-rampal.com/en/expertise-certificates/ Accidentally I found online photos of early Vuillaumes from reliable sources, 1826 #41 https://beinfushi.com/product/vuillaume/ (photo will enlarge by right mouse click) and 1827 #60 https://ingleshayday.com/notable-sales-instrument/a-violin-by-jean-baptiste-vuillaume-16/ Jeffrey gave also a photo of #53 made 1827. Could be #80 for another 1827 believable? To me both of the above violins look rather close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karolina Posted July 19 Author Report Share Posted July 19 (edited) Hi everyone, Initially I was convinced you'd just say it's clearly not a JBV violin. Now I am not so certain and even more curious what it is. I am actually based in the UK. I will send photos to one of the experts, probably the one in France and see what they have to say. @Blank facethank you for the links. Very interesting. No41 looks quite similar to mine in many aspects Edited July 19 by Karolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCF Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Karolina said: Hi everyone, Initially I was convinced you'd just say it's clearly not a JBV violin. Now I am not so certain and even more curious what it is. I am actually based in the UK. I will send photos to one of the experts, probably the one in France and see what they have to say. @Blank facethank you for the links. Very interesting. No41 looks quite similar to mine in many aspects You might end up having to edit the subject title of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karolina Posted July 20 Author Report Share Posted July 20 I have decided to send photos to Florent Boyer as this is much cheaper than Rampal. I will keep you guys posted and keep myself braced for getting my soul crushed haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 11 hours ago, Karolina said: I am actually based in the UK. I will send photos to one of the experts, probably the one in France and see what they Rampal/Marolle make regular visits to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 6 hours ago, Karolina said: I have decided to send photos to Florent Boyer as this is much cheaper than Rampal. I will keep you guys posted and keep myself braced for getting my soul crushed haha. It would be cool if you find out it's a genuine Vuillaume - I hope that it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karolina Posted July 22 Author Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) It would be cool indeed. I am just curious. This whole thing has definitely motivated me to play more again. I am currently buying some nice new strings. Photos are sent to Boyer...now we wait. Update: got reply. He's very interested. Says signature looks very typical for JBV. He'd like to see the violin in person to confirm it is a real one but obviously I can't just pop over to Paris. So I guess there is a chance it is indeed a JBV. Edited July 22 by Karolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Karolina said: It would be cool indeed. I am just curious. This whole thing has definitely motivated me to play more again. I am currently buying some nice new strings. Photos are sent to Boyer...now we wait. Update: got reply. He's very interested. Says signature looks very typical for JBV. He'd like to see the violin in person to confirm it is a real one but obviously I can't just pop over to Paris. So I guess there is a chance it is indeed a JBV. There are lots of big auctions happening in London in October that are likely to bring in many experts from around the world. I'm sure this will include a number of French experts as well. Check with them to see if they will be travelling to London at that time. This might be a good opportunity for you to arrange an appraisal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Shelbow said: There are lots of big auctions happening in London in October that are likely to bring in many experts from around the world. I'm sure this will include a number of French experts as well. Check with them to see if they will be travelling to London at that time. This might be a good opportunity for you to arrange an appraisal. Good idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 11 hours ago, Karolina said: Update: got reply. He's very interested. Says signature looks very typical for JBV. He'd like to see the violin in person to confirm it is a real one but obviously I can't just pop over to Paris. So I guess there is a chance it is indeed a JBV. I take it you're dealing with Florent Boyer? I don't think you would find anyone with a better knowledge of Vuillaume, or a bigger reference archive (he owns and manages the Violindocs archive). Is it so difficult to pop over to Paris with the violin? I do it at least once a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCF Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, martin swan said: I take it you're dealing with Florent Boyer? I don't think you would find anyone with a better knowledge of Vuillaume, or a bigger reference archive (he owns and manages the Violindocs archive). Is it so difficult to pop over to Paris with the violin? I do it at least once a month Martin, not wishing to be a fly in the ointment but I wonder how does this relate to the recent discussion of trans-jurisdictional border issues and customs between UK and EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 11 hours ago, LCF said: Martin, not wishing to be a fly in the ointment but I wonder how does this relate to the recent discussion of trans-jurisdictional border issues and customs between UK and EU? An individual travelling with his/her violin should have no problem, particularly if you can show a return ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 I often travel with a violin. Just don't forget it at security. This is a very nice French violin and you need an expert to find out what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karolina Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 (edited) So apparently JBV (he could be gangster or a virus with those initials) had a 1cm stamp that he put on the inside next to the inscription. I will go hunting for it today. And as Boyer put it: she's 200 years old so there is no rush to get to Paris. I am planning to visit family in Germany in September and might do a day trip with over night stay in Paris then. Just need to figure out the logistics. The violin is French for sure he thinks and the signature is very hard to fake in his opinion. Edited July 24 by Karolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Sounds promising, keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Thanks for keeping us updated, and fingers crossed. So in the meantime, could you perhaps try to shot a more in focus photo of the rib joint, like I tried to process below. This could give a clearer idea how the violin was constructed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karolina Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 I've been trying to find the vuillaume stamp but no luck with my cheap camera. I will take a rib joint photo tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Karolina said: I've been trying to find the vuillaume stamp but no luck with my cheap camera. I am not sure of the location in the early instruments, but on the later ones it's often located in the upper bout of the back, and often on the top plate as well. It's small... and sometimes hard to find with the top on or if there is a buildup of dust or dirt inside the fiddle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Wow that is pretty tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Some of the original Vuillaume stamps were auctioned at Bongartz about 20 years ago. I wonder where they might be now and for which purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 43 minutes ago, Blank face said: Some of the original Vuillaume stamps were auctioned at Bongartz about 20 years ago. I wonder where they might be now and for which purpose. I have known at least two luthiers who could draw a very convincing Vuillaume seraph/hieroglyph freehand. Maybe one of them bought them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCF Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 19 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said: I have known at least two luthiers who could draw a very convincing Vuillaume seraph/hieroglyph freehand. Maybe one of them bought them. Is the stamp inside the corpus the same as the bow or bridge stamps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, LCF said: Is the stamp inside the corpus the same as the bow or bridge stamps? I can't answer for the bridge stamp, but the bows are stamped JB Vuillaume or Vuillaume a Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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