"France" bow

[wooden]

Hello. I have this violin bow stamped "France". Is this a generic trademark or maybe a factory brand? I'd appreciate any help. Thanks un advance.

 

[martin swan]

Standard marking on factory bows made for export to the US.

This looks to be a basic nickel and brazilwood Mirecourt bow ...

[Brad Dorsey]

1 hour ago, wooden said:

...Is this a generic trademark...?...

It is not a trademark; it is the name of the country where the bow was made.

[Guido]

14 hours ago, Brad Dorsey said:

It is not a trademark; it is the name of the country where the bow was made.

Or not. Could be made in Germany and stamped to deceive after it was imported.

[martin swan]

4 hours ago, Guido said:

Or not. Could be made in Germany and stamped to deceive after it was imported.

Is this something you've seen?

[Guido]

16 hours ago, martin swan said:

Is this something you've seen?

Reportedly, Juzek in New York did this; and if so, probably others just the same. 

I mostly made the comment as what little can be seen in the photo doesn’t look very French.

[duane88]

35 minutes ago, Guido said:

Reportedly, Juzek in New York did this; and if so, probably others just the same. 

I mostly made the comment as what little can be seen in the photo doesn’t look very French.

Bows branded, "Leon Pique", in the French style, with "France" on the bottom facet as shown. I have 2.

[Violadamore]

17 hours ago, martin swan said:

Is this something you've seen?

I have.  I personally play with a "Voirin"  silver-mounted octagonal pernambuco bow from circa 1920's that's stamped "FRANCE" but is actually German.  They can be found in old Metropolitan Music catalogs, along with the Piques that @duane88 mentioned.  These bows have been posted on and discussed here before.  Some of them are very nice. 

[martin swan]

6 hours ago, Guido said:

 

I mostly made the comment as what little can be seen in the photo doesn’t look very French.

 

On 6/24/2024 at 1:16 PM, martin swan said:

 

This looks to be a basic nickel and brazilwood Mirecourt bow ...

[martin swan]

6 hours ago, duane88 said:

Bows branded, "Leon Pique", in the French style, with "France" on the bottom facet as shown. I have 2.

OK - that's pretty sneaky!

[Brad Dorsey]

9 hours ago, Violadamore said:

I have.  I personally play with a "Voirin"  silver-mounted octagonal pernambuco bow from circa 1920's that's stamped "FRANCE" but is actually German.  They can be found in old Metropolitan Music catalogs, along with the Piques that @duane88 mentioned.  These bows have been posted on and discussed here before.  Some of them are very nice. 

Metropolitan also sold bows stamped EMILE DUPREE, FRANCE, that were made in Germany.  Some of these are also very nice.

[duane88]

8 hours ago, martin swan said:

OK - that's pretty sneaky!

I also have a later one, same crooked brand, as in crooked angle on the stick, that is branded, in itty-bitty letters, on the bottom facet of the butt, "made in Western Germany".