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How would a new bass bar help with an old strad copy violin and is it worth it?


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so this is the strad that i have gotten recently. the luthier is helping with new bridge, new fingerboard, soundpost, tailpiece and pegs, and just some small clean up. cant wait for it. 

we did discuss about whether its worth it to open up the violin to make a new bass bar. from my research, and talking to him, it would mainly help with the projection of the violin, not necessarily it being loud. The cost is around $250usd. Is it worth it? would the value of the violin increase by that much? Any advice please?

This violin will likely be for my 11 years old daughter, and she is doing grade 5. It woudl be a while before she gets to grade 8, and unless something drastically change, i dont think she will ever be a soloist, at least not in the next few years :) My amateur knowledge tells me that the bass bar will help with projection and thus be good for solosit to carry the sound to the audience? If she plays at home, and small group, or in an orchestra, i assume she wont need such projection? Please excuse my understanding :)

Thank you for your advices.

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A new bar in such a violin for „more projection“ sounds like a strange idea to me.

It would surely much more help to invest into a good bridge, good strings and a working good bow first. And chinrest, tailpiece, pegs etc., as you ordered already will be enough.

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Am I correct in assuming that this is a fractional size violin?  If so, I wouldn't sink much money  into wringing the maximum performance out of it, when presumably it will need to be replaced anyway if your daughter continues playing.  It is doubtful you could recoup any investment.  It appears to be a fairly decent instrument, but still a generic copy.

From my personal experimenting with bass bars, as long as there is some kind of bass bar that isn't wildly abnormal or damaged, getting an ideally made one (whatever that might be) I doubt is going to make a major improvement... particularly if it's a fractional where the upper potential is limited.

It's hard to tell for sure from the photos, but the bridge looks somewhat on the heavy side, which would mute the instrument more than anything related to the bass bar.

And what is that white thing on the heel?

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its full size violin, and the sound seems lovely and warm when i first played, so hopefully the luthier will improve it in spades. 

I am not doing the bass bar, as i have been told it can be done at any time in the future. I was just curious thats all on whether its worth it. Thank you for your advices so far. Save money for other things. 

i dont know about the hell, i will ask the luthier when i see him next :)

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I'm not an expert but I see those heavy fine tuners so close to the (slightly thick=heavy) bridge. I would try light wittner tailpiece close to edge so it won't add unnecessary weigth near bridge which acts as a mute.

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28 minutes ago, HoGo said:

I'm not an expert but I see those heavy fine tuners so close to the (slightly thick=heavy) bridge. I would try light wittner tailpiece close to edge so it won't add unnecessary weigth near bridge which acts as a mute.

Yes new tailpiece is going in

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I guess that my opinion would be only replace the bass bar if this fiddle is one of the ones with the 5mm thick, roughly carved tops, that still have the chisel marks in it, and the roughly carved in original bass bar. In that case, you would also be talking about "finishing" the graduation that wasn't properly finished in the "cottage" where it was originally done.

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What ever happen to first base? Bass bar is definitively not the first thing that comes to mind
-proper professional full set up 
-proper strings and bow

Bass bar ? meeeh.. as other reported, the bass bar on it's own not likely to change "much"  unless it's the whole shebang on an improperly made violin in the first place as FiddleDoug explained

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