uguntde Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 I have a Nürnberger bow here, which I assume to be from the Nürnberger family. Silver mounted, 58-59g. From which time is this? 1900-1920? Thsi would be Franz Albert Nürnberger II. It has not been played much, hardly any wear, but nevertheless plays very well. Makes a bright tone, strong stick. IMG_6837.jpeg IMG_6838.jpeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 According to Grünke the stamp with stars was introduced in 1920. The frog looks earlier, are you sure it is original to the stick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted April 15 Author Report Share Posted April 15 It fits the stick perfectly from front to end. No indication that it would not be original. I have another goldmounted Nürnberger with a frog of almost exactly the same dimensions but without eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, uguntde said: It fits the stick perfectly from front to end. No indication that it would not be original. I have another goldmounted Nürnberger with a frog of almost exactly the same dimensions but without eye. Has the adjuster of the gold mounted bow an U-channel collar? This would put it also more early. Or is it a trick of the photo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted April 16 Author Report Share Posted April 16 16 hours ago, Blank face said: Has the adjuster of the gold mounted bow an U-channel collar? This would put it also more early. Or is it a trick of the photo? Not sure I understand what you mean with U-channel. The shape of the ring that has been lathed into the button at the screw end is different between the two bows. The silver mounted one has this double-ring, the gold mounted one has what you could call U-shaped (red arrow). Or do you refer to something else? The nut is skightly different, but same thread, same shape of the spindle (if these are at all relevant indicators). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 39 minutes ago, uguntde said: the gold mounted one has what you could call U-shaped Yes, that's the "German" U-collar. That's very unusual at a 20th century Albert Nürnberger junior. Grünke shows an also gold mounted August Nürnberger-Suess, made in New York, with this feature, but without a date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted April 16 Author Report Share Posted April 16 51 minutes ago, Blank face said: Yes, that's the "German" U-collar. That's very unusual at a 20th century Albert Nürnberger junior. Grünke shows an also gold mounted August Nürnberger-Suess, made in New York, with this feature, but without a date. Grünke In his book? So is the other adjuster (the silver one) more typical for the 1920s? I may ask him for a certificate of the undamaged silver-mounted bow. The silver-mounted is the better stick, but this is a matter of taste, makes a bright tone, feels strong, healthy flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 5 hours ago, uguntde said: Grünke In his book? Deutsche Bogenmacher by Grünke et al. Good idea to ask him if the stamp belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted April 18 Author Report Share Posted April 18 I am astonished that nobody questions the authenticity of this bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCF Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 On 4/16/2024 at 9:41 PM, uguntde said: I'm sure it will continue to hold but the thread in the eyelet of that gold mounted one is very close to the outer surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted April 18 Author Report Share Posted April 18 9 hours ago, LCF said: I'm sure it will continue to hold but the thread in the eyelet of that gold mounted one is very close to the outer surface. This one was played a lot. What learned is that one can now get very detailed stamp analyses, considering all the faults and imperfections of these stamps. This has become a science of its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 15 hours ago, uguntde said: I am astonished that nobody questions the authenticity of this bow. It depends of what one would understand by “questioning”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uguntde Posted June 16 Author Report Share Posted June 16 I showed the silver mounted bow to several German experts who all agreed that it was certainly not made by a Nürnberger family member. I had my own doubts when I saw tool marks and shellac on the stick. Grünke just looked at pictures and said it was none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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