FritzCrysler Posted December 25, 2023 Report Posted December 25, 2023 Hi All, A friend of mine bought this violin for £1 at a carboot sale. Madness regarding even the amount of flamed maple. I ran a google image search and found this - https://www.isabellesviolins.com/gandbernardel/?photo=Back - by way of the purfling around the button (see image) - the perfling has the same diagonal split near the neck too - similar single piece flamed back and scroll - I can also see similar grafting on the head / scroll - F holes and perfling looks a bit different on front but have found others by the same maker that match. - It looks like someone has attacked it with a sander and crappy varnish on top?
Gtone Posted December 25, 2023 Report Posted December 25, 2023 I don't think yours is the same product but I will let let the expert people on the board far more qualified than me to speak. I would say this is from the far east and probably sounds a "poundy bucks" Welcome to the forum.
FritzCrysler Posted December 26, 2023 Author Report Posted December 26, 2023 God loves a trier - thanks for the welcome
martin swan Posted December 26, 2023 Report Posted December 26, 2023 8 hours ago, duane88 said: Not a Gand and Bernadel. Agree, I'm afraid it doesn't have any Gand & Bernardel features. The model is wrong, also the way the scroll is carved, the edges and purfling, the f-hole shape, and the varnish (just to start).
Spelman Posted December 26, 2023 Report Posted December 26, 2023 Whatever it is, I'd say you did well for the price of a candy bar! Enjoy!
FritzCrysler Posted January 11, 2024 Author Report Posted January 11, 2024 It turns out the violin was custom made sometime around 1920 English / German and has been valued between £500 and £800.
Blank face Posted January 11, 2024 Report Posted January 11, 2024 "Custon made" would mean in this case by an unknown autodidact. But for 1 quid one cannot complain.
Rue Posted January 11, 2024 Report Posted January 11, 2024 A good buy for $1, if you're just looking at the numbers straight-up...but... ...is it playable? ...does it need repair? ...does it need new strings, a bow, a case? Just asking!
David Burgess Posted January 11, 2024 Report Posted January 11, 2024 2 hours ago, FritzCrysler said: It turns out the violin was custom made sometime around 1920 English / German.... Uhm, who was it that rendered this opinion?
Wood Butcher Posted January 11, 2024 Report Posted January 11, 2024 It might have been this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dickinson
FritzCrysler Posted January 13, 2024 Author Report Posted January 13, 2024 On 1/11/2024 at 7:46 PM, David Burgess said: Uhm, who was it that rendered this opinion? On 1/11/2024 at 9:32 PM, Wood Butcher said: It might have been this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dickinson Haha! That's brilliant... Hopefully not. I'll not shop the shop since you lot seem like the lost boys of peter pan. It's been established 60 year, the main place for sales and repair the guy knows what he's talking about. Admittedly. I'm not too chuffed about the crappy varnish colour and slightly dodgy purfling.
Shelbow Posted January 13, 2024 Report Posted January 13, 2024 On 1/11/2024 at 9:32 PM, Wood Butcher said: It might have been this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dickinson Cheap as chips!
uguntde Posted January 14, 2024 Report Posted January 14, 2024 This is certainly not Gand&Bernardel. But a few years ago I met up with a guy in Munich who bought one for a few Euros at a yard sale. It was genuine, in an old Menesson case. One of those with golden letters writing on the ribs. I don't know what he did with it, he didn't want to sell it.
Wood Butcher Posted January 15, 2024 Report Posted January 15, 2024 On 1/13/2024 at 10:15 PM, Shelbow said: Cheap as chips! Got to have a catchphrase, to be on tv
FritzCrysler Posted January 30, 2024 Author Report Posted January 30, 2024 Brompton's have just said it's Italian maybe early 1900s. It's being verified for the maker in a few weeks.
martin swan Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 2 hours ago, FritzCrysler said: Brompton's have just said it's Italian maybe early 1900s. It's being verified for the maker in a few weeks. They have seen the violin in the flesh or just pictures?
FritzCrysler Posted January 31, 2024 Author Report Posted January 31, 2024 Pictures (better than shown on here), it's getting a proper look next week. Whatever the result I'll let you all know. It'd be quite funny if it is chinese. I'd had another shop take a look and they said it looks to be Italian but it needs a proper valuation, go to bromptons. I've paid for a proper setup and it blows my little £500 german violin clean out of the water.
Blank face Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 As I wrote above, it looks like an autodidactical violin from the first half of the 20th century, and there were also a lot of these in Italy (as in many other places). So it's possible, but not really remarkable, and hard to prove as long as there aren't some identical references of known origin. Slightly better than a Salustri, but not much.
FritzCrysler Posted February 7, 2024 Author Report Posted February 7, 2024 Ok it's up between 3000 to 5000 but they're going to take a look inside for a marker mark.
martin swan Posted February 7, 2024 Report Posted February 7, 2024 Strange - I’m at a bit of a loss to see anything Italian about this violin.
J-G Posted February 7, 2024 Report Posted February 7, 2024 Has anyone looked into where the seller who took 1 pound for a valuable Italian violin got it?
Blank face Posted February 7, 2024 Report Posted February 7, 2024 3 hours ago, martin swan said: Strange - I’m at a bit of a loss to see anything Italian about this violin. Simple, it's as red as tomatoe sauce. Matches all folcloristic expectations.
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