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boba

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Hi, 

I'm Paul and I need help identifying the violin below. I recently picked up this violin and through a coworker I was told that, based on the label, it could be a genuine Mathias Hornsteiner II (a.k.a. Dax) violin.

The last two pictures are from my coworker's friend, who is a violin maker, that said it could be a genuine Mathias Hornsteiner II. The photos are from a book but it's in French.

Any information is much appreciated, thank you! 

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A very similar violin is illustrated in the EILA book “Alte Geigen und Bogen…...” from 1997 from page 88. They list is as a Mathias Hornsteiner Hofschmied (Hofschmied was the name of the house where he lived, i.e. his address). Up to the publication of the book, nobody had taken the trouble to sort out the genealogy of the family, but you could ask at the Mittenwald museum if anyone is more up-to-date

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1 hour ago, Blank face said:

The enlargement of the label pictures reveals that it's a 20th century reproduction, shaded by the small dots.

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Thank you for the reply. According to the shop I got the violin from, the owners have ties and history with the violin making school in Mittenwald, and they said it is a Mittenwald but estimated maybe mid 19th century.

So now my question is, is it more likely the violin was made in 20th century like the label suggests or was the label possibly added later?

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2 hours ago, boba said:

Thank you for the reply. According to the shop I got the violin from, the owners have ties and history with the violin making school in Mittenwald, and they said it is a Mittenwald but estimated maybe mid 19th century.

So now my question is, is it more likely the violin was made in 20th century like the label suggests or was the label possibly added later?

The label is obviously inserted later, and is what is known in trade jargon as a “Fahrkarte”, so stop even looking at it. About 10 yeas ago I had a similar Hornsteiner, and to my surprise it had a second (real) label on the upper block, so you might like to look inside in case yours has one. The violin is from the second half of the 18th C

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4 hours ago, boba said:

Thank you for the reply. According to the shop I got the violin from, the owners have ties and history with the violin making school in Mittenwald, and they said it is a Mittenwald but estimated maybe mid 19th century.

So now my question is, is it more likely the violin was made in 20th century like the label suggests or was the label possibly added later?

You could compare here:https://www.geigenbaumuseum-mittenwald.de/en/the-history-of-violin-making-in-mittenwald/photographic-instrument-archive/

According to the essay by W.Zunterer from the website a more or less necessary feature of the Hornsteiner family would be the 3 nothches in the inside pegbox north (s.below). It's not very clear, but in magnification they seem to be present at your violin, so it might be real.

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  • 2 weeks later...

By the time someone got around to approving this post a week or more had past (a not unusual response lag). This put my question the middle of page three (by design, I suspect), based on the date of the attempted posting. So nobody ever saw it. (ditto).

 

One more time : who else in  Mittenwald (or elsewhere ?) used this identifier ?

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