1000$ plane

[David Burgess]

21 hours ago, Kimmo89 said:

These days you simply cant find hose like that.

Reminds me of a song:
"The grand ol' hose just ain't what it used to be..."
 

[Jeffrey Holmes]

3 minutes ago, David Burgess said:

Reminds me of a song:
The grand ol' hose just ain't what it used to be..."
 

Oh man...  that song went through my head when I read Kimmo's post too. 

[Kimmo89]

I have to listen to it.
For now I have been more into Engelbert Humperdinck or Reijo Taipale.

[Rico Suave]

That plane looks almost Steampunk - just add some scroll engraving and, Voila!

I did find this BCTW invention intriguing and thought it could be useful for sawing out rib blanks and such

 

https://bridgecitytools.com/collections/jointmaker-pro

[Don Noon]

3 hours ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

Awwww... Their mini block plane is kinda cute.   

Even the price is low... but then, there's the aluminum sole.  A non-tool.

 

[Wood Butcher]

People just love to hate this kind of stuff, but it's fair to say that violin makers and repairers are not the target market.

That they offer a very complicated looking jig, and accessories for $609.95, so that you can make a pair of chopsticks, is bewildering to me. A pencil maker for $749 seems madness, but they wouldn't make things they felt there was no hope of selling.

In America, it seems there are plenty of people with lots of money, who want nice things, and have a shortage of hand skills. This stuff is clearly made for them, and if they get their rocks off having a purple anodised plane with 64 moving parts, who is to stop them. Think how dangerous these people could be, if they were doing something else instead.

Certainly, the guy behind the operation is quite a thinker.

[Michael Szyper]

18 hours ago, Wood Butcher said:

People just love to hate this kind of stuff, but it's fair to say that violin makers and repairers are not the target market.

That they offer a very complicated looking jig, and accessories for $609.95, so that you can make a pair of chopsticks, is bewildering to me. A pencil maker for $749 seems madness, but they wouldn't make things they felt there was no hope of selling.

In America, it seems there are plenty of people with lots of money, who want nice things, and have a shortage of hand skills. This stuff is clearly made for them, and if they get their rocks off having a purple anodised plane with 64 moving parts, who is to stop them. Think how dangerous these people could be, if they were doing something else instead.

Certainly, the guy behind the operation is quite a thinker.

Can’t agree more. 

[Mike_Danielson]

This is an example of tool porn.  I suspect these are created for tool collectors.  

[Don Noon]

1 hour ago, Mike_Danielson said:

I suspect these are created for tool collectors.  

Or gizmaddicts.

[ernym]

My CT-7 low angle block plane, made in Portland OR is fantastic. Better than any of the Lie Nielsen's block planes that I've owned. I don't care for BCT's new planes.

[ernym]

I just sold my Lie Nielsen 5-1/2 jack plane for $1000.00 

[Andrew tkinson]

My Two dollar planes?

At the other end of the scale here are the five old wooden planes I bought online, earlier this week, for £9.15 or $11.02 (including postage.

I bought them to get this little one

I have filled my house with stuff so have started to look for professionally made (as opposed to "user made") small planes to try to avoid cluttering my house while still allowing me to satisfy my collecting addiction. Unfortunately in this case I had to get four others to get the desired small plane so added yet more to my house congestion! 

Never mind, at least I didn't have to spend $1000 to get a plane that I will never use! Unless, of course, some suitably small planing job crops up and I will have just the right tool?

[arglebargle]

3 hours ago, charliemaine said:

I just sold my Lie Nielsen 5-1/2 jack plane for $1000.00 

Why? How? You can buy a new one for less than $500.

 

[Kimmo89]

7 hours ago, Andrew tkinson said:

My Two dollar planes?

At the other end of the scale here are the five old wooden planes I bought online, earlier this week, for £9.15 or $11.02 (including postage.

I bought them to get this little one

I have filled my house with stuff so have started to look for professionally made (as opposed to "user made") small planes to try to avoid cluttering my house while still allowing me to satisfy my collecting addiction. Unfortunately in this case I had to get four others to get the desired small plane so added yet more to my house congestion! 

Never mind, at least I didn't have to spend $1000 to get a plane that I will never use! Unless, of course, some suitably small planing job crops up and I will have just the right tool?

Yes yes. This is way to go, good job.
Why to pay, if you get it for free, or if you can make it better than any in the market.
And for the straight sole wooden planes it takes just 2 minutes to flatten it with another plane, instead of rubbing this 1000 dollars on a class with sandpaper for 2 hours.

I dont see the point spending 1000 for plane. Any stanley can make the same job after you fix them a little.
I think the only woodworking tools I buy are the sharpening stones.
I do have some modern bought tools, but none are in my taste.

Metal working is different. Even if my grinder is from early 90s. I once used by brothers new grinder with metal work on his car, it burned after couple hours of use! This 90s grinder has been in lots of use and I only had to cut 5cm off from the wire since it had bent.
The metal work for me is some kind of a mixture of old style and new tools. I use a forge and a hammer but also grinder to cut the metal. I just sometimes overdo these since you cant find any hammer marks. Like the rivets are hammered too evenly.
For woodworking tools I am making, I will try to forge some texture.

If you buy something, get something old that will most likely work better. Fix the old tools and save.
 

[ernym]

8 hours ago, arglebargle said:

Why? How? You can buy a new one for less than $500.

 

True,  currently they sell for $425.00. 

Why someone would pay $1000.00 probably comes down to the rarity of the plane. Having a corrugated sole, factory rosewood tote/knob and the fact that it was one of the first 100 made makes this plane desirable to collectors. Which is why I never used it, knowing one day I would sell it.

How?....Ebay

Many of the BCT tools are sold to collectors and never touch wood. People collect all sorts of things at all price levels. My CT-7 plane I bought to use and it functions great. I've had another BCT plane that had a design flaw. Luckily I was able to return it to the seller.

 

 

[arglebargle]

6 minutes ago, charliemaine said:

True,  currently they sell for $425.00. 

Why someone would pay $1000.00 probably comes down to the rarity of the plane. Having a corrugated sole, factory rosewood tote/knob and the fact that it was one of the first 100 made makes this plane desirable to collectors. Which is why I never used it, knowing one day I would sell it.

How?....Ebay

Many of the BCT tools are sold to collectors and never touch wood. People collect all sorts of things at all price levels. My CT-7 plane I bought to use and it functions great. I've had another BCT plane that had a design flaw. Luckily I was able to return it to the seller.

 

 

And here I am, using my tools like a moron.

[ernym]

It's not the cost of a tool that matters but how it's used. I enjoy collecting American axes and prefer chopping wood with an axe over a chainsaw. Although these days I enjoy restoring them more than chopping.

[Violadamore]

On 3/2/2023 at 1:59 PM, Wood Butcher said:

People just love to hate this kind of stuff, but it's fair to say that violin makers and repairers are not the target market.

That they offer a very complicated looking jig, and accessories for $609.95, so that you can make a pair of chopsticks, is bewildering to me. A pencil maker for $749 seems madness, but they wouldn't make things they felt there was no hope of selling.

In America, it seems there are plenty of people with lots of money, who want nice things, and have a shortage of hand skills. This stuff is clearly made for them, and if they get their rocks off having a purple anodised plane with 64 moving parts, who is to stop them. Think how dangerous these people could be, if they were doing something else instead.

Certainly, the guy behind the operation is quite a thinker.

 

19 hours ago, charliemaine said:

I just sold my Lie Nielsen 5-1/2 jack plane for $1000.00 

 

16 hours ago, arglebargle said:

Why? How? You can buy a new one for less than $500.

 

On 3/3/2023 at 1:42 PM, Mike_Danielson said:

This is an example of tool porn.  I suspect these are created for tool collectors.  

Why do people buy a lot of the overpriced stuff they do?    I don't have any unused tools around my shop.  I've bought tools through the years for specific production needs.

I've got a nice little stable of planes, but except for the Ibexes, and a small wood-bodied Japanese adjustable rebate plane, they are mostly vintage Stanleys that  I've used for furniture and cabinetry.  The highest price I've paid is around $120 for a Stanley 113 compass plane that I restored and use on curved surfaces.  It's also the most complicated, but amazingly easy to adjust. 

[jhans]

A plane for a mere 1600 NZD cannot be any good. For really good stuff go to www. workshopheaven.com; in their sales they now offer (a.o.) a Holtey A1 jointer plane at the reduced price of GBP 9.504 (was: 10.560)  (GBP to USD =1,20)

[David Burgess]

On 3/5/2023 at 5:13 PM, jhans said:

A plane for a mere 1600 NZD cannot be any good. For really good stuff go to www. workshopheaven.com; in their sales they now offer (a.o.) a Holtey A1 jointer plane at the reduced price of GBP 9.504 (was: 10.560)  (GBP to USD =1,20)

It costs even more, when you include the cost of the safe to keep it in.

[Mark Norfleet]

On 3/1/2023 at 1:26 PM, Kimmo89 said:

This is one thing I have always wondered, why to make all lighter. For examble chainsaws these days, you will make harm to your shoulder by forcing it to cut. For this reason I have many 70-80s Raket's.

My fully intact 25 year old plastic saws cut just fine with no particular shoulder stress if the chains are properly sharpened.  I sure don't have to force the cut!  And I'm certain I'll enjoy the somewhat lighter weight when I do 11 miles of trail clearing on foot while holding them at various angles tomorrow after a heavy wet snowfall here.
 

[Kimmo89]

1 hour ago, Mark Norfleet said:

My fully intact 25 year old plastic saws cut just fine with no particular shoulder stress if the chains are properly sharpened.  I sure don't have to force thee cut!  And I'm certain I'll enjoy the somewhat lighter weight when I do 11 miles of trail clearing on foot while holding them at various angles tomorrow after a heavy wet snowfall here.
 

25 years old are still somehow good with simple technique.

This man started with a bow saw in the customers forest. And says that chainsaws has gone worse.
But he is also extremely strong man, in one video he falls a car and old small tracktor with bare hands.

At my experience you cant even adjust the carburetor on the new ones. They add some kind of a locking plastic around the adjustment screws, and there is only this tiny rotation can be made. Chainsaw has to be get adjusted more after the rubber pumps and guides harden (what is the correct word for it again in english, foil/membrane??).
Of course has to be replaced after they are too hard, but those really not working many years without none adjustment.
For me its easy to handle and to get the feeling if it has some weight. 

My favourite are the Raket 621, I have 3 in working order and Comet 49. I also have Raket 50 with roll bearings for crank, 60 and 62.

 

[David Burgess]

Looks like he has a extra-large brim on the back of his hat, to prevent flying shavings from going down the back of his shirt. I wish I'd thought of that, while roughing out plates.

[Mark Norfleet]

4 hours ago, Kimmo89 said:

At my experience you cant even adjust the carburetor on the new ones. They add some kind of a locking plastic around the adjustment screws, and there is only this tiny rotation can be made.

The adjustment limiters might be there for a good reason…. They can however be fairly easily removed.

All other debatable points aside, I personally would not use at least two of the three saws you pictured as they’re lacking a very important safety feature that most, if not all, saws of that size have had for decades.  That being an automatic chain brake in the event of nose contact induced kickback.

[Kimmo89]

Kickback comes from only one small area of the blade, avoiding this upper front corner at the tip hitting to wood first, all is good.
But I think some of the 621 Jonsereds had kickback lever and even with an electronic switch. Might be on early 1980 models only.
The 49 SP on the photo has the lever, but no switch to turn off the spark. The brake itself was very loose, so I edited and tightened the springs so it will brake strongly against the clutch. But I only use the brake when im starting the saw in some bad positions, so it will only run idling speed and not possible that it takes the chain with it.

But those two 621 are super strong and never seem to broke. The only issue I have seen is the spark wire cover missing, so it gives you small shocks if skin touches it on high rews.

The adjustment limiters are there only because a regular user would deliver the saw into the shop to get it adjusted. Its the same idea than in printers for example. The factory gives it a setup with limited copies that can be printed, even if the printer would work otherwise still. This is true at the printers, and for me it sounds crazy, but thats the business idea. Sounds cheating?