______ Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Hello guys. Here I got another 4/4 violin. Measurements are: LOB 358, widths: 164, 105, 204, stop 195mm. I tried to snap all the details required. All corner blocks (managed to picture lower cc only, upper are same). What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Another pics below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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______ Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sospiri Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Autodidact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Looks to be a good example of the usual, replete with a slab cut back and ribs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 As usual I am having trouble seeing much from photos but it looks to me like the scroll is finished under the throat and I am not seeing a meeting of the ribs on the rather broad face of the rib corners. Also the varnish looks softer than what I would expect on lesser MK work. I'll be interested to see what others think of this one. My first impression of this wood is American maple but again I can't see well enough from the pictures to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, nathan slobodkin said: As usual I am having trouble seeing much from photos but it looks to me like the scroll is finished under the throat and I am not seeing a meeting of the ribs on the rather broad face of the rib corners. Also the varnish looks softer than what I would expect on lesser MK work. I'll be interested to see what others think of this one. My first impression of this wood is American maple but again I can't see well enough from the pictures to be sure. Yup Sir, I've just noticed some of them are slightly out of focus what I can fix this evening. Also forgot to mention that varnish has got some cracelure. Will try to show it on photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 To me this also looks like a better grade of Markneukirchen instrument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, martin swan said: To me this also looks like a better grade of Markneukirchen instrument Agree. The rib joints a bit more cut back and the scroll fluting a bit deeper carved than usual. The thick craquelature is probably part of the antiquing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Here are some yet the same but of better resolution photos with craquelature visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 One should note that for a common or garden “usual” it has several unusual features, also a strange outline. One wonders to what extent it has been manipulated after the fact, or if it is one of those that Beer called “copies” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: One should note that for a common or garden “usual” it has several unusual features, also a strange outline. One wonders to what extent it has been manipulated after the fact, or if it is one of those that Beer called “copies” I have also noticed that strange outline myself at some point holding it in front of my face but it was easy to do while having it closer than a beer mug. It is not easy to catch it by those poor photos only, wow. Never stop wondering how sharp eye you've got professor! What bothers me is a Hamlet - like question: to open it or not to open it, since imho it is going to be opened anyway in spite of nasty and all - the - way - long crack through soundpost area which is poorly repaired and not patched nor cleated. Thus I would be able to see and picture inside work before handing it to a good restorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetler Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Why is this the usual? Is it built on the back? To me, the corners look mitred and linings maybe let into the block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, tetler said: Why is this the usual? Is it built on the back? To me, the corners look mitred and linings maybe let into the block I agree, there are reasons to doubt if this is a classical "usual" although some arguments for it being one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 Here I upload some details of corners and craquelature in higher resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 More photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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______ Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 Last ones I think showing craquelature located in upper block area with a light face to face in purpose on one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 I tried to show a scroll fluting detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 looks like an unusual violin to me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 It might be something like a „Großstadtgeige“ - big city violin with a certain relationship to Markneukirchen. The inside work and mitred rib joints are indicating that the ribs were made using a mould, while the shape of the scroll and the antiquing are quite typical for Markneukirchen work. So if it will be opened anyway due to the large soundpost crack the OP might look for an inscription or hidden signature. This might be the only way to find out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Blank face said: It might be something like a „Großstadtgeige“ - big city violin with a certain relationship to Markneukirchen. The inside work and mitred rib joints are indicating that the ribs were made using a mould, while the shape of the scroll and the antiquing are quite typical for Markneukirchen work. So if it will be opened anyway due to the large soundpost crack the OP might look for an inscription or hidden signature. This might be the only way to find out more. I'm seeing the C bout rib feathered in not mitered which would be Mittenwald style, of course the corner blocks aren't. As to the scroll, it has a delta but the carving appears to go completely in, how is that Markneukirchen style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 Yes the violin is a bit confusing, and one should keep one's council until we have seen inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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