KeiranC Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Hi all, I’m wondering if anyone has seen any instruments similar to this- I was told late 18th century English. The violin is double-purfled, and the back is heavily ornamented, almost like Barak Norman. The inlay work struck me, as it is very clean! At first glance, I almost thought the back was from a cut-down gamba, as the arching is fairly unusual and quite flat around the edges. The lower rib is one piece with a notch. The scroll is a replacement, so it is not pictured. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Certainly looks interesting. I will be very curious to see what the experts think. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Do you have any pictures of the scroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranC Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, Shelbow said: Do you have any pictures of the scroll? I can post them, but it’s completely unoriginal, as the violin was originally discovered without a neck- when Andrew Dipper did the restoration years ago, he carved a completely new neck and scroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 I bet it is whatever Andrew said it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 It’s at least very likely that the violin is from the South German/Austrian region and not English. I would also wonder if varnish and inlays are original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranC Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, nathan slobodkin said: I bet it is whatever Andrew said it was. I agree- but he said late 1700s English, and I was curious if anyone could connect it to a specific maker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 51 minutes ago, KeiranC said: I agree- but he said late 1700s English, and I was curious if anyone could connect it to a specific maker Have you had a dendro done on the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranC Posted January 20 Author Report Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Shelbow said: Have you had a dendro done on the top? Not yet, but that’s a good idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 For my money, it’s a violin from the end of the 18th C from the Mittenwald region, that has been re varnished, and where some nutter has been doing some purfling practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Slight Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 I can’t see anything English about those F-holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: For my money, it’s a violin from the end of the 18th C from the Mittenwald region, that has been re varnished, and where some nutter has been doing some purfling practice I would be inclined to agree with Mittenwald, although I can't see it being much older than the 1850s. 16 hours ago, Shelbow said: Have you had a dendro done on the top? What a good idea! looks like one-piece top, and that type almost always works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 27 minutes ago, Ratcliffiddles said: I would be inclined to agree with Mittenwald, although I can't see it being much older than the 1850s. Agree that the rather flat arching and the ff shape look like 19th century Verleger work. I've seen some Mittenwald violin making school instruments with that sort of floral inlay, could have been done there for practicing at an existing violin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 It doesn’t matter as far as the identity of the instrument but I was really impressed by the tailgut! The tailpiece and the fingerboard are very nice as well. I expect this is the work of Mr. Dipper. How does it play? I hope you enjoy it. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudall Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 The top plate area around the end pin seems to have been half-edged. What about the rest of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranC Posted January 21 Author Report Share Posted January 21 12 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said: I would be inclined to agree with Mittenwald, although I can't see it being much older than the 1850s. What a good idea! looks like one-piece top, and that type almost always works. You might be hearing from me soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeiranC Posted January 21 Author Report Share Posted January 21 11 hours ago, Dwight Brown said: It doesn’t matter as far as the identity of the instrument but I was really impressed by the tailgut! The tailpiece and the fingerboard are very nice as well. I expect this is the work of Mr. Dipper. How does it play? I hope you enjoy it. DLB Yes, that was all done by him! It’s my wife’s violin, and she plays it beautifully- it has quite a resonant, zingy sound, which didn’t immediately make me think of Mittenwald. Of course you can’t rely on sound for identification, but I’ve heard so many of those overbuilt Mittenwald instruments that use extremely dense spruce and thick graduations, which gives them such a nasal sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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