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Prosím id houslí
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Mohl by někdo identifikovat tento nástroj? Mám určitě indicie ale nechám to na odbornícich !! V houslich byl nápis s letopočtem již už není vidět možná nějaký mikroskop nebo rentgen . Nečitelné . Dekuji. Kdyžtak klidně sms 721721886 jinak to byli jen prkynka. Tak jsem to slepil a hraje to lip než stradivary aspoň podle YouTube nahravek. Jinak hledám někoho kdo je ohodnoti a případně vystaví certifikat pravosti. Klidně je nechám důkladně prozkoumat jak dřevo staří tak vše. . 

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Here is a bad google translate of the OPs message - I pulled this provisional post from a thread about Emanuel Adam Homolka in the auction scroll.

Could anyone identify this tool? I definitely have clues but I'll leave it to the experts!! In the violin there was an inscription with the year, it is no longer visible, maybe some kind of microscope or X-ray. Unreadable. Thank you. Feel free to text 721721886 otherwise they were just a board. So I glued it and it plays better than the Stradivary, at least according to the YouTube recordings. Otherwise, I am looking for someone who will evaluate them and possibly issue a certificate of authenticity. I will easily let them thoroughly examine how the wood ages and everything. .

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On 11/25/2022 at 8:01 PM, Blank face said:

Looks like a Schönbach/Luby roughly 100 years old, unfortunately in a sad condition. These exeggerated flutings at the f wings can be seen occasionally. Otherwise the rib construction, scroll etc. gives it away easily.

Dekuji za vaši reakci. Pošlu vám fotky schoonbachu. Tento nástroj je z úplně jiné doby a určitě od jiného výrobce . Rozhodne není schoonbach luby. Jinak je starý 300 let a víc . Vás odborný názor je špatný. Dekuji vám. Už se do ničeho nepoustejte. 

Thanks for your reaction. I will send you photos of the schoonbach. This instrument is from a completely different time and definitely from a different manufacturer. Definitely not schoonbach luby. Otherwise, it is 300 years old or more. Your professional opinion is wrong. Thank you. Don't do anything else.

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48 minutes ago, Prosím id houslí said:

Dekuji za vaši reakci. Pošlu vám fotky schoonbachu. Tento nástroj je z úplně jiné doby a určitě od jiného výrobce . Rozhodne není schoonbach luby. Jinak je starý 300 let a víc . Vás odborný názor je špatný. Dekuji vám. Už se do ničeho nepoustejte. 

Thanks for your reaction. I will send you photos of the schoonbach. This instrument is from a completely different time and definitely from a different manufacturer. Definitely not schoonbach luby. Otherwise, it is 300 years old or more. Your professional opinion is wrong. Thank you. Don't do anything else.

if you think you know it all why do you need our opinion??

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Interesting first few posts from our new Czech forum member.....

If we look to the work 'Labyrinth of the World and Paradise of the Heart' by 16th century Czech philosopher Jan Amos Komenský, we can explore his allegory and depiction of a pilgrim or seeker of the truth exploring and traversing various aspect of the world. At one point this pilgrim has a guide on his journey which is a manifestation of Delusion. Delusion gives him some spectacles so that he can see the world in a more distorted way, but our pilgrim is able to shift these glasses and see things for what they really are. He then describes the truth in what he sees.

If one was to replace the term 'humans' in the following excerpt and replace it with 'Fine Italian Violins' then we may start to get a understanding of what is occurring here.

Chapter VII (The Pilgrim Examines the Market Place of the World)

4 THEIR DIVERSE DEFORMITIES. And watching them attentively, I saw that they were all variously disfigured, not merely in their features, but in their bodies as well. Most of them were pimply, scabby, or leprous. Besides, one had a swine lip, another dog's teeth, or ox horns, or ass ears, or basilisk eyes, or a fox tail, or wolf claws. Some, I observed, strutted about with a proudly erected peacock's neck, others with an erect lapwing crest, or with horse-hoofs, and so on. Most of them resembled monkeys. Horrified, I exclaimed: "But I see monsters here!" "Of what monsters are you babbling, you meddler?" remarked my interpreter, threatening me with his fist; "if only you look properly through your glasses, you will recognize them as human!" Moreover, some of the passers-by overheard my calling them monsters and stopped, threatening and reviling me. I realized that it was useless to argue. Therefore I remained silent, thinking to myself: if they wish to regard themselves as human, so be it. But I see what I see. Moreover, I was afraid lest my companion should readjust the glasses and thus delude. I decided, therefore, to be quiet and rather to concentrate on those fine things of which I had seen the beginning. I looked about me again and noticed that many people were dexterous in the manipulation of their masks, quickly snatching them off and donning them again, so that in an instant they could assume any appearance which befitted their need. Then I began to understand the course of the world. Nevertheless, I held my peace.

A DIVNÁ POTVORSTVÍ. A maje na to pozor, vidím, že všickni nejen v oblíčeji, ale i sic na těle rozličně jsou zpotvořeni. Napořád byli trudovatí, prašiví či malomocní; a mimo to některý měl svinský pysk, jiný psí zuby, jiný volové rohy, jiný osličí uši, jiný baziliškové oči, jiný liščí ocas, jiný vlčí pazoury; některé sem viděl s pávovým vysoko vytaženým krkem, jiné s dedkovým naježeným chocholem, některé s koňskými kopyty etc., nejvíc pak bylo podobných opicím. I zděsím se a řeknu: "Však pak já toto potvory jakési vidím." "Co (pry), všetýčko, pravíš, potvory?" dí tlumočník a hrozí mi pěstí. "Hleď jen zkrze okuláry dobře, spatříš, že lidé jsou." Někteří pak z mimo jdoucích zaslechli, že sem je potvorami nazval, a zastavíc se reptali a na mne se také potrhovali. Takž já srozuměv, že tu mudrovati darmo, umlkl sem, pomysle sobě: Když pak lidmi býti chtějí, nechť jsou: já však, co vidím, vidím. Bál sem se pak, aby mi bryllí lépe nepřitlačil a mne nezmámil; protože sem uložil mlčeti a tiše raději na ty tak bystré věci, jakýchž sem tu začátek spatřil, se dívati. I hledím znovu a vidím, jak někteří uměle s těmi larvami zacházeli, hbitě je zsmykajíce i vstavujíce, takže v okamžení sobě, kde viděli potřebu, jinou tvárnost dáti uměli. A tu sem již začínal běhu světa toho vyrozumívati; ale mlčel jsem.

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6 hours ago, Wood Butcher said:

Quite clearly, this violin is dating from around 1900 - 1920s. To those who have seen this type before, it's quite clear what it is.
The large number of badly done repairs, may make it seem it has been with us for a longer time, but that is not the case.

Hi, you have written a very interesting observation... '...The large number of badly done repairs, may make it seem it has been with us for a longer time, but that is not the case.' How to understand? Are you talking about the 18th century or the 19th?

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Showing it with pictures in the background, one thing I've learned is that decent violins look alike in the details but not in the details of the details...  It's easy to match things if you're just looking at the first level details.  Scrolls on great violins or at least expensively great look like they were carved by a sculptor, with all his power and knowledge of aesthetics, not just somebody who can carve a scroll

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2 hours ago, Spongebob said:

Hi, you have written a very interesting observation... '...The large number of badly done repairs, may make it seem it has been with us for a longer time, but that is not the case.' How to understand? Are you talking about the 18th century or the 19th?

I’m thinking very late 19th century, to early 20th century.

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On 11/27/2022 at 1:50 AM, Fotios said:

I am Czech, but I do not understand what the questioner actually wants. I agree with Jacob that it's a kind of verbal masturbation. I apologize for the incorrect statement...

I think I know what he actually wants. He wants to get confirmed he has Strad (that he already knows) by some real expert, and is not interested on opinions of amateurs like Blank Face:)

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1 hour ago, mendicus said:

I think I know what he actually wants. He wants to get confirmed he has Strad (that he already knows) by some real expert, and is not interested on opinions of amateurs like Blank Face:)

That's a good point, but I think it m i g h t :ph34r: be an extremely rare gem. Something - you know - once in a lifetime... like a hm hmm... I've got a weird idea and I am a l m o s t convinced that it's a masterpiece made by one of our forum's best violinmakers...in a previous incarnation circa 300-400 yers ago.

And now HE or SHE is sitting there, reading this, laughing in our faces and...oh c'mon! Come here and confess Mr...

:huh:

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