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Hi! I’m very curious to hear any thoughts that could help identify this cello. I bought it this summer because of it’s surprisingly rich sound and fantastic response.

The cello is pretty light so I think it’s built thin. The angle of the neck is also more “up right” than I’m used to so the bridge is lower. I know that can be fixed but I’m not sure if it would do any good for the instrument. I’ve noticed that the neck block is kind of small (see my attempt to take a photo of it below). But it doesn’t seem to be a so called “through neck”. One other thing I’ve noticed is the placement of the small “cuts” in the f-holes. 

From what I can read on the label it says “B… De Lorenzi, Fece in Vicenza anno 1876”. I’m well aware that’s most likely not real!

Many thanks!

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The Rib corners look like a built on the back construction method. I'm wondering if the cello has been revarnished as the box shows several dark spots, possibly traces of darker varnish. I find the scroll looks unusually tidy and has no dark spots, so it might not originally belong to the cello. My working theory is that the neck was damaged and replaced, because of the small surface left for the neck construction in BOB instruments, a small top block was installed. The repairman found it easier to revarnish the whole thing than to varnish the scroll similarly to the body. Probably Markneukirchen/Bohemia, 1875 could be right

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Thank you @baroquecello for very interesting input! This what you say about the varnish could definitely make sense. I’ve seen it the other way around a bit since the most obvious places with dark spots (marked on picture below) is right where there has been repaired cracks. So my thought was that they didn’t manage to match the original bright varnish when they repaired it.
About the neck, that’s also highly possible, but wouldn’t you be able to see tracks from a different neck block or somehow from a repair like that?

Again thank you!

 

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Thank you @jacobsaunders!

Interesting to hear! Now since you both mentioned Makneukirchen as a possible area, could you maybe tell me something specific that leads you to that conclusion? I’m a pretty experienced cellist but my interest for the actual instruments and luthiers is pretty new so I have a lot of questions!

I’m also wondering how you can tell for sure that the cello is built on the back? Does the back never opens up then?

all the best!

/Gustav

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2 hours ago, GUSOLM said:

Thank you @jacobsaunders!

Interesting to hear! Now since you both mentioned Makneukirchen as a possible area, could you maybe tell me something specific that leads you to that conclusion? I’m a pretty experienced cellist but my interest for the actual instruments and luthiers is pretty new so I have a lot of questions!

I’m also wondering how you can tell for sure that the cello is built on the back? Does the back never opens up then?

all the best!

/Gustav

one can tell, not least by the long rib corners. Markneukirchen/Schönbach/Grazlitz area isn’t a “possible area”, but an absolutely certain matter of fact, which one can recognise across the street, since there are tens of thousands of them. The varnish is also typical of the area, and was probably originally of a more reddish shade, the red colouring agent having faded.

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I see, thanks again! @jacobsaunders

Last question: how are the possibilities of tracking the actual luthier from this area? Or is it even considered irrelevant on these instruments?

Another thing that struck me with the cello is that the arching of both back and front is doing a little “dip” right by the edges all the way around (tried to show it with the photo below). It looks really nice to me anyway but don’t know if that tells us anything…

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