reg Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Hello all I have a pretty violin stamped Panormo Maker London on the back I am puzzled by the lower ribs which are not split, have the Mittenwald notch and a set in saddle Excuse my ignorance, but what could this fiddle be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Do you have any better resolution photos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Sorry not much better - I have an old phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Could this be one of the Mittenwald violins imported during the continental blockade in the 19th century? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 “Mittenwald notch” is a misnome, since it be can seen elsewhere (all of S: Germany and Austria for instance) The scroll, by contrast looks Saxon, and the varnish on the back washed off, so perhaps you could post picture of other bits, and tell us what the corner blocks look like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 JACOB I will try and scope it, but here are more pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Sorry, I have only just realised that you put your new pictures on your first post above. I’m afraid they are too out of focus for me to make out anything, either that or my eyes aren’t better yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Has it a throughneck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 The linings appear to be let in, with some uncertainty as to the quality of the photos. This is obviously consistent with the one piece lower rib and notch and points strongly to an inside mould construction. The one rib joint you show (lower bass) seems to be mitred the wrong way though. how do the others look? blank face makes a good point about the neck attachment as it looks like you either have a through neck or might be looking at a nail or screw through the upper block. Failing either there could still be a screw driven in diagonally down from the fingerboard glueing surface (which you can only see when the fingerboard is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Guido said: The linings appear to be let in, with some uncertainty as to the quality of the photos. This is obviously consistent with the one piece lower rib and notch and points strongly to an inside mould construction. The one rib joint you show (lower bass) seems to be mitred the wrong way though. how do the others look? blank face makes a good point about the neck attachment as it looks like you either have a through neck or might be looking at a nail or screw through the upper block. Failing either there could still be a screw driven in diagonally down from the fingerboard glueing surface (which you can only see when the fingerboard is removed. I’m astonished what you can see from out of focus pictures. Please recommend your ophthalmologist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 Thank you Guido So definitely a fake Panormo with German antecedents? Of no great value Apologies for the fuzzy photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 I don't see anything pointing to any Panormo, but I am no expert. The violin is certainly interesting though as the few things we have established so far don't really go together all that well. You should try and take better pictures of the linings at the blocks or tell us if you can see it clearly. While I think they may be let in, it is but a vision in the fog, and not supernatural eyesight on my behalf. The most interesting bit will be the neck attachment, as it is most likely original. There is no cut-out in the top plate. The shape of the heel and the thickness of the neck towards the heel are also rather "different". I wouldn't die of shock if it had a screw under the fingerboard, but that is certainly against the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, Guido said: You should try and take better pictures of the linings at the blocks or tell us if you can see it clearly. While I think they may be let in, it is but a vision in the fog, and not supernatural eyesight on my behalf. Agree that it's very hard to spot, but to me the blocks look more like symmetrical, not longer in the outer bouts, and the linings more like glued under later blocks, not morticed into them. Therefore my question for the throughneck. The brand doesn't look like the Panormo stamp at Cozio, and as if it was applied with single letters at an unusual place, much too low down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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