Dwight Brown Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199732224&cpid=3799089152 This bow is at least a bit interesting given its fancy certificate. Any thoughts? DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Looks like Simon School Unstamped... hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted June 15 Author Report Share Posted June 15 25 minutes ago, germain said: Looks like Simon School Unstamped... hahaha Perhaps, but would you disagree with the experts that wrote the cert? They are kind of a big deal. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPractice Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Not close to Tarisio. Thousands of miles away. Ironwood? Fine for viola, perhaps even good, given how Ironwood can feel. The profile of the head is attractive; it sucks me in. But the other end is a mix. I did not bother to read the certificate but presume a baguette. This is one I would definitely play and examine... the Peccatte is also one to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, Dwight Brown said: https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199732224&cpid=3799089152 This bow is at least a bit interesting given its fancy certificate. Any thoughts? DLB School of Simon? Well, a nickel mounted ironwood round stick is simple, therefore............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Dwight Brown said: Perhaps, but would you disagree with the experts that wrote the cert? They are kind of a big deal. DLB No I would not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 This is not a fancy certificate. Essentially it says the bow looks a bit like a Simon but isn’t one. In previous times you’d have been lucky to get a letter of appraisal for this kind of bow but now it seems every toothpick, tomato stake and billiard cue merits a certificate … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted June 16 Author Report Share Posted June 16 3 minutes ago, martin swan said: This is not a fancy certificate. Essentially it says the bow looks a bit like a Simon but isn’t one. In previous times you’d have been lucky to get a letter of appraisal for this kind of bow but now it seems every toothpick, tomato stake and billiard cue merits a certificate … I meant the experts that signed it are fancy. I see your point though. I'm not really sure what "School of" really means when you get down to it. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 7 minutes ago, Dwight Brown said: I meant the experts that signed it are fancy. I see your point though. I'm not really sure what "School of" really means when you get down to it. DLB It’s a strange term isn’t it? workshop of or circle of would be a bit more meaningful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted June 17 Author Report Share Posted June 17 Attribution It is not always known who painted a picture. An attribution is an assessment of who was responsible for creating a particular work. Attributions are made with different degrees of certainty, depending on factors such as style and documentary and scientific evidence: 'by Raphael' shows reasonable certainty about the attribution 'attributed to Raphael' intimates a degree of doubt about the authorship of the picture 'by the Studio of Raphael' means painted by a pupil of the named artist, probably under his direction 'a Follower of Raphael' is someone who admired the artist's style, but was not necessarily a pupil of his 'an Imitator of Raphael' is one who slavishly admired the artist, but may have worked at a much later date I found this list of attribution qualifiers from the National Gallery in London. Evidently there is an entire academic discipline dedicated to weasel words ;-) I found some lists that were much longer! DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 School of thought ??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I know this has been posted on MNet before, but here's my version... 1. By Leandro Bisiach Well none of us were there at the time but there’s broad agreement that this was made by Bisiach or by someone in his workshop, or was ordered by Bisiach from Nonno down the road … or maybe Nonno’s brother. But Bisiach definitely made it or had it made and the label is legit. 2. ASCRIBED TO Leandro Bisiach Not by Bisiach, but it has a certificate from Jacques Francais from 1995 so if you’re unscrupulous you should be able to sell it as a Bisiach. 3. ATTRIBUTED TO Leandro Bisiach The owner refuses to believe this isn’t a Bisiach because they paid a lot of money for it in the 1930s. They would only consign it if we also agreed that it might be a Bisiach and was worth more than it really is, so we’ve put a punchy estimate on it … but it ain’t a Bisiach 4. WORKSHOP OF Leandro Bisiach Sort of like number 1 but we’re not 100% sure. Might have been made by Nonno’s brother – definitely that sort of thing. 5. CIRCLE OF Leandro Bisiach This is probably a Linguine. You know, Linguine was always jealous of Bisiach. I reckon he half-inched some of that nice quilted maple and a label or two and knocked this one up out of sheer spite. It does look incredibly like a Bisiach except it doesn’t have any f-holes. 6. FOLLOWER OF Leandro Bisiach; AND SCHOOL OF Leandro Bisiach It’s a fake. You can kid yourself that it’s a Sgarabotto but we did a dendro and it can’t be. 7. LABELLED OR STAMPED OR INSCRIBED Leandro Bisiach Get real, this is the violin trade …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 You forgot number 8! 8.MARIO GADDA We have no idea and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Law Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 Since we are on this topic, the auction houses use terms to kind of describe quality: like An EXCEPTIONAL violin by ... A FINE violin by ... A RARE violin by Giacomo Gennaro An INTERESTING violin by ... A violin by whoever. Is there good gloss of these and similar terms that Dwight or Martin or others can share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, martin swan said: I know this has been posted on MNet before, but here's my version... 1. By Leandro Bisiach Well none of us were there at the time but there’s broad agreement that this was made by Bisiach or by someone in his workshop, or was ordered by Bisiach from Nonno down the road … or maybe Nonno’s brother. But Bisiach definitely made it or had it made and the label is legit. 2. ASCRIBED TO Leandro Bisiach Not by Bisiach, but it has a certificate from Jacques Francais from 1995 so if you’re unscrupulous you should be able to sell it as a Bisiach. 3. ATTRIBUTED TO Leandro Bisiach The owner refuses to believe this isn’t a Bisiach because they paid a lot of money for it in the 1930s. They would only consign it if we also agreed that it might be a Bisiach and was worth more than it really is, so we’ve put a punchy estimate on it … but it ain’t a Bisiach 4. WORKSHOP OF Leandro Bisiach Sort of like number 1 but we’re not 100% sure. Might have been made by Nonno’s brother – definitely that sort of thing. 5. CIRCLE OF Leandro Bisiach This is probably a Linguine. You know, Linguine was always jealous of Bisiach. I reckon he half-inched some of that nice quilted maple and a label or two and knocked this one up out of sheer spite. It does look incredibly like a Bisiach except it doesn’t have any f-holes. 6. FOLLOWER OF Leandro Bisiach; AND SCHOOL OF Leandro Bisiach It’s a fake. You can kid yourself that it’s a Sgarabotto but we did a dendro and it can’t be. 7. LABELLED OR STAMPED OR INSCRIBED Leandro Bisiach Get real, this is the violin trade …. 1 hour ago, Shelbow said: You forgot number 8! 8.MARIO GADDA We have no idea and good luck! 37 minutes ago, Derek Law said: Since we are on this topic, the auction houses use terms to kind of describe quality: like An EXCEPTIONAL violin by ... A FINE violin by ... A RARE violin by Giacomo Gennaro An INTERESTING violin by ... A violin by whoever. Is there good gloss of these and similar terms that Dwight or Martin or others can share? Don't forget "Property of a Gentleman [or Lady]", which, being familiar with the British tabloids, makes me wonder if I should decontaminate it before lifting it to my shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted June 24 Author Report Share Posted June 24 # 8 is killing me! I think I will put that on my tombstone! That will keep them wondering!! DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mood2000 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 - the attached pictures for documentation/educational purpose. * source : https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199732224&cpid=3799089152#cond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeWilliams Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 (edited) On 7/6/2022 at 6:19 PM, mood2000 said: - the attached pictures for documentation/educational purpose. * source : https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199732224&cpid=3799089152#cond Did you bid for it too? I am waiting for your reply and till then I will visit https://letsgradeit.com/question-category/study-tips/ here to read some study tips because my exams are near. Did you bid for it too? Edited July 22 by GeorgeWilliams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted July 15 Author Report Share Posted July 15 I talked myself out of it in the end. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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