Shelbow Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 I look forward to your battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Law Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 A Strad at >$15M, and the del Gesu at less than a third of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicalmusic Posted June 9 Report Share Posted June 9 From what I heard, it was for sale the past 10 years with no buyers and most of the original varnish is not there either. I also heard the tone is good but not as amazing as others. Toscha Seidel played it though and I guess that’s quite an endorsement and piece of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 10 hours ago, classicalmusic said: From what I heard, it was for sale the past 10 years with no buyers and most of the original varnish is not there either. I also heard the tone is good but not as amazing as others. Toscha Seidel played it though and I guess that’s quite an endorsement and piece of history. What proportion of Strads would you say retain most of their original varnish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, martin swan said: What proportion of Strads would you say retain most of their original varnish? I'll go for 0.154% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 14 hours ago, classicalmusic said: I also heard the tone is good but not as amazing as others. but but but The bumpf they sent me quotes Carl Flesch as saying “The quality of (his) tone is one of the most beautiful I have heard in my career…..”. Besides, hands up whoever thinks whoever bought it was too bothered what it sounds like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 26 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: Besides, hands up whoever thinks whoever bought it was too bothered what it sounds like I'll put my hand half way up. I cant say if the buyer thought it might be the most beautiful violin he/she heard, but I'll bet functionality played some role in the price decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 8 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said: I'll go for 0.154% So optimistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Should he have bid just a couple hundred K more so it could become famous as most expensive strad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Law Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, Bill Merkel said: Should he have bid just a couple hundred K more so it could become famous as most expensive strad? I like the way you think! After you said it, I think he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 ^I have to think he knew what he was doing, which makes it a naive question. I can think of possible reasons why it wouldn't have been a good idea. But for anybody who likes the way I think, I'm available as consultant for any violin purchase over 15 million dollars. Any purchase of anything over 15 million dollars, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 5 hours ago, Bill Merkel said: Should he have bid just a couple hundred K more so it could become famous as most expensive strad? I'm not sure auction records are that important when it comes to Strads and del Gesus. It's an erratic and unpredictable way to sell a big instrument, and many equivalent instruments sell quietly for more through dealerships. All kudos to Tarisio for this sale, but this is not "the most expensive Strad" by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 It may be the most expensive on public record. Most of us are not privy to the prices brokered by dealers, or privates sales from auction houses. I’m assuming the buyers, and perhaps sellers, in most cases, are looking for a high level of discretion. Do you happen to know what a cello might change hands for privately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Wood Butcher said: It may be the most expensive on public record. Most of us are not privy to the prices brokered by dealers, or privates sales from auction houses. I’m assuming the buyers, and perhaps sellers, in most cases, are looking for a high level of discretion. Do you happen to know what a cello might change hands for privately? If a forma B came to market in really good condition I suppose it would be offered for $30M plus. There are people here on Maestronet who are involved in these sorts of sales - I'm just an occasional bystander. There is a certain kind of buyer who wants the world to know they have bought the most expensive something or other, and for them I suppose setting an absurd auction record might be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 9 hours ago, martin swan said: There is a certain kind of buyer who wants the world to know they have bought the most expensive something or other, and for them I suppose setting an absurd auction record might be the way to go. I simply cannot empathize with that. OTOH, scrounging an undiscovered one at an estate sale for $50 would impress me immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 4 hours ago, Violadamore said: I simply cannot empathize with that. OTOH, scrounging an undiscovered one at an estate sale for $50 would impress me immensely. I think it would impress any of us! Not that it will ever happen but I always wonder what that sort of discovery would entail. What would be fair to the family it belonged to? Give it back? Ask for a finder's fee and sell it at auction? Ask for 50%? Just avoid getting sued? Thankfully I don't think any of us will ever be in the position to deal with ethical dilemmas like that, but it's interesting to think about. Fortunately the family heirlooms I've found at auction and returned are not worth millions, or even hundreds so I just give them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 22 minutes ago, Jeny Mahon said: I think it would impress any of us! Not that it will ever happen but I always wonder what that sort of discovery would entail. What would be fair to the family it belonged to? Give it back? But what if you try to give it back and they just laugh and say, "Oh, no, you keep it. We already sent photos to a site called Maestronet, and an Austrian expert named Jacob told us it was rubbish." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Law Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 9 hours ago, Violadamore said: But what if you try to give it back and they just laugh and say, "Oh, no, you keep it. We already sent photos to a site called Maestronet, and an Austrian expert named Jacob told us it was rubbish." You mean “the usual”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, Derek Law said: You mean “the usual”? That's the current toned-down contraction of "the usual rubbish". He used to be much more emphatic about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 16 hours ago, Violadamore said: But what if you try to give it back and they just laugh and say, "Oh, no, you keep it. We already sent photos to a site called Maestronet, and an Austrian expert named Jacob told us it was rubbish." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Always get a second opinion Some times I have speculated and come out ok. A couple of times I have bought stuff that 40 years ago someone in a random music shop said was rubbish to the owners, and they never questioned that opinion and sold it as rubbish when the reality was quite different. Ive also had times were people have sold family members possessions after they pass, and these have come with papers and the family have completely refused to believe the papers or any of the insurance papers. It's a bit of a weird one morally, but if you buy from people and they are happy with the terms of the sale then I don't have much of an issue. If I wasn't speculating and definitely knew something was really good, I'd like to think I would tell them so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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