gaseff Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 HI folks: When you are planning and then carving out the neck graft material from the interior of the pegbox. Do you generally leave neck material at the bottom of the pegbox, or just on the sides and over the chin? This is from Triangle Strings - where there appears to be some of the neck stock remaining at the bottom of the pegbox. This is from Woodbridge Violins... where there appears to be no neck stock materials at the bottom of the pegbox. I would assume that the former is sturdier, but is the latter acceptable? (Weisshaar and Shipman appear to be silent on this.) Thanks! -George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 generally, there is new neck wood on the bottom of the peg box. Don't forget that one is trying to make the peg box as it originally was, not "sturdier" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaseff Posted April 23 Author Report Share Posted April 23 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 31 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: generally, there is new neck wood on the bottom of the peg box. Don't forget that one is trying to make the peg box as it originally was, not "sturdier" Always make it sturdier if you're not compromising anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, Christopher Jacoby said: Always make it sturdier if you're not compromising anything... Making it “sturdier” is compromising it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, gaseff said: ...Weisshaar and Shipman appear to be silent on this... They may not mention it in the text, but their pictures and diagrams show cutting out wood from the floor of the pegbox in preparation for receiving the graft. It would seem to logically follow that some graft wood should be left to replace the wood that was cut out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 those appear to be viola grafts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaseff Posted April 23 Author Report Share Posted April 23 Thanks, Brad. On page 147 - it is a little conflicted to me. Photo 1 shows the base cut. Then in the text they say " On ungrafted instruments, the saw cut does not need to go deeper than the bottom of the pegbox." And then with the internet photos thrown in, I was interested in current thoughts and best practices. Thanks, all. I really appreciate all of your responses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 The Weisshaar shop would leave some new wood on the bottom of the pegbox, unless there was some unusual and compelling reason not to do so. More glue surface area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 B&F, the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 4/23/2022 at 11:52 AM, jacobsaunders said: Making it “sturdier” is compromising it Nah. That's closemindedness, and doesn't serve the life of the instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 In reconsidering the original question, I think the answer depends on how deep the side cuts are made in the peg box. By "how deep" I mean how far down towards the floor of the peg box. If the cuts go below floor level, then some wood would be removed from the floor, and some of the graft wood should be left to replace what is removed from the floor. But if the cuts don't go below floor level, then no wood is removed from the floor, and there is no need to replace what wasn't removed. So perhaps the original question should have been how deep should the side cuts go. Should they go below floor level? In addition to the depth of the side cuts, the angle that the bottom graft surface makes with the neck fingerboard surface also determines whether any of the peg box floor would be cut away. The convergence of the two should be towards the volute, or possibly they could be parallel to each other, but the convergence should definitely not be towards the body of the instrument. The closer the two are to parallel, the more likely it is than some of the peg box floor would be cut away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Christopher Jacoby said: Nah. That's closemindedness, and doesn't serve the life of the instrument. Nonsense, converting everything into a brick shithouse isn’t a worthy aspiration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 50 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: Nonsense, converting everything into a brick shithouse isn’t a worthy aspiration yeah, that's clearly the point to hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaseff Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 Jacob - I will try not to do so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaseff Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 Brad - thanks for the response. I am out of town but will post photo when I get back. All - I truly appreciate the dialogue and inputs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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