Shelbow Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 3rd June https://www.aguttes.com/vente/123680 https://issuu.com/aguttes/docs/cat-maq-violon_20220503_issu?fr=sYTI4NTQwNDk0MQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 On 4/22/2022 at 11:06 AM, Shelbow said: 3rd June https://www.aguttes.com/vente/123680 https://issuu.com/aguttes/docs/cat-maq-violon_20220503_issu?fr=sYTI4NTQwNDk0MQ Mon Dieu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Appleman Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 I'm a bit surprised at the estimation of this violin: 4-4.5 million. Does that seem low to anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted May 5 Author Report Share Posted May 5 8 minutes ago, Michael Appleman said: I'm a bit surprised at the estimation of this violin: 4-4.5 million. Does that seem low to anyone else? I was thinking the same. I thought it would be 7-10 as a minimum. I'm curious to see how this and the strad do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 You can't even see the website unless you click the get owned cookie agreement button, so even 4-4.5 million is a fantasy. There's always craigslist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 ppl need to learn how to use the www Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Appleman Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 gotta get another lottery ticket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 "The ‘da Vinci of Violins,’ Handmade in 1736, Could Fetch More Than $10 Million at Auction" Sounds like the auction house media is attempting to take advantage of Tarisio's advertising of the Strad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted May 5 Author Report Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Jeffrey Holmes said: "The ‘da Vinci of Violins,’ Handmade in 1736, Could Fetch More Than $10 Million at Auction" Sounds like the auction house media is attempting to take advantage of Tarisio's advertising of the Strad. They could have been a bit more imaginative However I am looking forward to June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Law Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 Auctions of both a Strad and a del Gesu - could become how we remember the summer of 2022 in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stern Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 I asked a colleague why would you put either of these instruments in an auction? His reply was "there are problems with both instruments." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 With respect i don't think that's very meaningful. Sometimes instruments end up at auction because trustees can't agree on what to do - that's a problem for a seller but not for a buyer. A violin of this pedigree gets so much exposure at a public auction that you'd be pretty stupid to try to hide anything that's consequential for a buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 There are not that many early 18th century violins that don't have some kind of issues somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Slight Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Shelbow said: There are not that many early 18th century violins that don't have some kind of issues somewhere. Indeed, especially ones that people will want to play on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Appleman Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 I'm afraid I don't know this violin (Regis Pasquier's Del Gesu) personally, so I can't comment on whether or not it has issues. I do know of another DG that took a long time to sell through private direct sale. It didn't have any "hidden" defects like a back crack or replaced parts etc., but it did have a small problem: it didn't sound very good. After many bassbars, neck resets and much massaging, it finally found a buyer that appreciates it, but it was not easy! While I've never met Regis, I did have the pleasure of working alongside and playing with his brother, Bruno, a great violist as well as both his sons who are excellent violists as well. The Pasquier family are musical "royalty" over here, having been top chamber musicians, orchestral leaders and soloists for three generations. I am familiar with Bruno's Maggini viola which is an amazing playing instrument, capable of cutting through or even drowning out any ensemble in all registers! I can't imagine Regis would have pluncked down a small fortune 20 years ago to buy an instrument that wasn't a similar powerhouse concert instrument. They did play together for years as the "Pasquier" string trio together with Roland Pidoux, making a Del Gesu/Maggini/Strad instrument combo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 I suspect the auction house's first obligation is to suggest a price that would deliver the minimum that they agreed on with the seller. Their next obligation is to get as much as they can. How many more people will start bidding at a low, attractive price, then get sucked into a possible bidding war by the thrill of the chase, vs what kind of competition might develop if a slightly higher price only turned up one prospective bidder who would only be bidding against himself? Tarisio is taking the exact opposite approach: "We only want you there if $20 million is pocket change, because you ARE going to be setting a new auction record." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 Does anyone know if this sold and if so what it sold for? I was trying to watch the live stream but it was very unstable. It seems to me that it either didn't sell or perhaps went to above 5? I wasn't sure if the bidding was saying 2 or 12 at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissweden Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 I heard 2 million something but later heard 3,250.00, they looked disappointed! The Fagnola went cheap though... (if correct! After all it's Boyer...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 Yeah kinda similar to what I heard but I thought I might have heard 5 at some point but maybe that was a different lot. The live stream kept on crashing. Im assuming it went unsold, as nothing came up in the records afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissweden Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 No it sold alright because they said bravo and clapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 1 minute ago, chrissweden said: No it sold alright because they said bravo and clapped. Oh very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 It must be an auction record though I would think so I presume it will end up on tarisio / cozio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcellist Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 Wonder why they didn’t post it when they posted everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffriller Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted June 3 Author Report Share Posted June 3 2 hours ago, Goffriller said: Thanks for this. Defo a record for del Gesu but seems quite low. I realise now that I really don't understand auctions at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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