Brunon Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Hi, can you tell me something about this Violin? It was used by German Violinist at the beginning of the 20th century. At this moment I can provide only photos added below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 I wouldn’t bid on it. Simple German trade instrument most likely with a neck problem not worth having fixed properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 From what I can see, there's a good chance that the "neck problem" is a very simple re-gluing job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, Brad Dorsey said: From what I can see, there's a good chance that the "neck problem" is a very simple re-gluing job. Looks like the heel is cracked when you zoom in the second picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 It could be. I didn’t notice that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deconet 1 Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Guido, some of ye are very brash and littlemaking when appraising an instrument. That instrument is probably the pride and joy of that family who owns it. You do not consider the history or family attachment to this Violin. How could you say it was not worth fixing from the photos. As is supported by Brad Dorsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Guido, some of ye are very brash and littlemaking when appraising an instrument. That instrument is probably the pride and joy of that family who owns it. You do not consider the history or family attachment to this Violin. How could you say it was not worth fixing from the photos. As is supported by Brad Dorsey The briefest glimpse at the photos tells us that this is an average Markneukurchen trade violin circa 1900. A restorer might put it into good playing condition but they would charge Joe Public about as much as the violin is worth at retail. so if it’s being offered for sale online (a reasonable assumption when more photos aren’t forthcoming) it’s not a sensible purchase for anyone other than a restorer who specializes in this kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: How could you say it was not worth fixing from the photos. From knowledge and experience. People with neither knowledge nor experience usually have no understanding of the time, effort, knowledge, experience, and overhead that is required to properly repair a violin. Not anyone's fault, by the way. Just the way it is. If you took a wrecked car to a car shop for repairs, and they told you that the cost of repairs exceeded the value of the car, it would not make any difference that the car might be "the pride and joy of that family who owns it." The car is still totaled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deconet 1 Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 I have not seen any reference to buying or selling this instrument in this thread. It is not about Money, The person asked about the Instrument, and he did not get a straight Answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deconet 1 Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Are ye now Dumb. This has happened to me several times. You ask a simple question about an instrument and all you get is littlemaking comments,and no answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: I have not seen any reference to buying or selling this instrument in this thread. It is not about Money, The person asked about the Instrument, and he did not get a straight Answer. Straight answer … The violin is a mass produced trade instrument made in Saxony circa 1900. In fully restored condition the retail value would be $1000-1500. There is a break to the button and the setup needs to be completely renewed. This will cost around $1000-1500, so only worth considering if the violin has significant sentimental value. ps. The photo of the violin sitting on a set of kitchen scales strongly suggests that it’s being offered for sale rather than being a prized family heirloom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Factually the majority of violins introduced here as family heirloom, personal property, “belonging to a friend “ etc turned out to be offered for sale in EBay, other auctions or online shops. Sorry for those coming here with honesty, but experience taught us something different. The question about the violin was answered immediately BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deconet 1 Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Why was this Info not communicated to Brunon in the first instance. Markneukirchen Schonbach and Saxony seems to be a great scapegoat for the Know alls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Markneukirchen Schonbach and Saxony seems to be a great scapegoat for the Know alls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Why was this Info not communicated to Brunon in the first instance. Markneukirchen Schonbach and Saxony seems to be a great scapegoat for the Know alls. Perhaps because 70-80% of antique violins were made there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Why was this Info not communicated to Brunon in the first instance. Markneukirchen Schonbach and Saxony seems to be a great scapegoat for the Know alls. The info what the violin is was communicated in the first post, maybe not as clear as one should when assuming that the OP would have very little knowledge. I.e. I could have added the name of towns and an estimate of age. As for the value/ condition. It has been explained sufficiently above. These violins are often a borderline case when just considering a full set-up, even if there is no damage, or worse, bodged previous repair attempts. One of the pictures shows an off-set between button and heel. This could be a lose neck which one may just glue back in or it may already be glued in the wrong place possibly with inappropriate glue. Looking at other pictures it seems the heel was/is broken further up, which makes me think we are looking at a bodged repair. But even in the best case, if this damage is fresh, a proper repair would most certainly not be worth it. Many other defects may be present but not visible in the photos. Finally, as Martin suggested, and as I alluded to when saying "I would not bid on it", you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to think that those pictures (the only pictures currently available) are pulled straight out of ebay, including the scales and measuring stick for reference. An yes, as Blank face said, this sort of thing happens over and over again. Often people buy first and then ask questions... so maybe we get to see more pictures when the violin arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunon Posted March 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Blank face said: Factually the majority of violins introduced here as family heirloom, personal property, “belonging to a friend “ etc turned out to be offered for sale in EBay, other auctions or online shops. Sorry for those coming here with honesty, but experience taught us something different. The question about the violin was answered immediately BTW. Actually this Violin is my father friend who lives in Germany. He is older person and at this moment can provide only them. I considered to buy this Violin for my own repairing skills, depending on price. BTW Im thinked this same way as you dear forum friends. But to be for 100% sure I started thread here. Edited March 17, 2022 by Brunon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: Perhaps because 70-80% of antique violins were made there When you look at the violins that have been allowed to fall into a state of disrepair at some point in the past... the law of numbers can be even more powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deconet 1 Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just a Question. Were there many german makers who made violins with Double purfeled. Or are their names known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Just a Question. Were there many german makers who made violins with Double purfeled. Or are their names known. Yes, many did but generally in small numbers compared to the more common models. Among the famous ones, Gabriel Lemböck (Vienna) comes to mind. What one finds in abundance today though are double purfeled trade instruments from Saxony around 1900… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, Guido said: Among the famous ones, Gabriel Lemböck (Vienna) comes to mind Not German … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, martin swan said: Not German … Who and when was "German" is a feature length argument. Try starting with Mozart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddleDoug Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, moorelia230@gmail.co said: Just a Question. Were there many german makers who made violins with Double purfeled. Or are their names known. As Guido said, there are a ton of double purfled "Maginni Model" violins that originated in the Markneukirchen dutzendarbeit mills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Who and when was "German" is a feature length argument. Try starting with Mozart Ok but Lembock …? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 Does this instrument look like there's some sinkage at the bridge foot? Failed bass bar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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