noidea22 Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 This violin doesn't make sense to me. The body is quite nice. Is that even an inlay, at least on the front? The back looks nice, too, it reminds me of Collin-Mézin. But that scroll, though. It looks so weird. Any idea what that is? The scroll kinda doesn't fit the violin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, noidea22 said: …Is that even an inlay…?… Is what an inlay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 @Brad DorseyI mean like edge inlay/insert instead of just inking or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 Looks consistent to me. Probably entry level French production early 20th century. Got cleats along the back centre seam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 The “inlay” that you refer to is called “purfling.” I would need to see closer-up photos to be able to tell if you have real inlayed purfling or inked or scratched lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 @Brad Dorsey does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Guido said: Looks consistent to me. Probably entry level French production early 20th century. Got cleats along the back centre seam? I don't know if it is the varnish or it's not well carved or whatever, but the scroll kinda looks bad. and the color is kinda different, too, compared to the body in the first picture. Only looking at the body I, as a player, would pay more than 1000$ for it, looking at the scroll not even 100$ :D. What's your estimate, what is it worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Guido said: Looks consistent to me. Probably entry level French production early 20th century. Got cleats along the back centre seam? I don't know if it is the varnish or it's not well carved or whatever, but the scroll kinda looks bad. and the color is kinda different, too, compared to the body in the first picture. Only looking at the body, depending on what it sounds like, I, as a player, would pay more than 1000$ for it, looking at the scroll not even 100$ :D. What's your estimate, what is it worth? @GuidoWhat are cleats? Another close up of the scroll, btw: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanJ Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 Cleats are small wooden pieces inside the violin that hold together cracks and seams. A side profile shot of the scroll will help determine where it was made. As for the value, not much. It's a very roughly made violin. Looks to me like a cheap Czech/German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob K Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 I am not an expert but it doesn't look French to me. Is it not 'the usual' (i.e MK/Sch trade)? Looks similar to some I have seen labelled 'Saxony'. Some pictures of the corners and rib joins might help with identification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 @JRyan@Bob K I'm a pro player but beginner when it comes to violin makers stuff and identifying, but to me, it doesn't look like german or czech. To me it looks like italian style french made, like, I don't know something like an italian-french hybrid. But as I said, I'm a beginner at identifying. Trying to train myself in that regard. @Bob K What do you mean by corners? Corners of the front and back plate? aren't those visible on the pictures? What are the rib joins? Sorry, I don't know the english terminology of all that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, noidea22 said: What are the rib joins? Where the ribs join under the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 @GeorgeH@Bob K ok, I see, thanks for the explanation! does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanJ Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, noidea22 said: @GeorgeH@Bob K ok, I see, thanks for the explanation! does that help? Clamped together ribs confirm that this is a Czech violin. You can learn more about this topic by searching "built on the back" in the search bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noidea22 Posted March 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 @JRyan thanks. what would it look like if it were french, german, italian? do you have pictures of each so I could see and learn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob K Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 16 hours ago, noidea22 said: @GeorgeH@Bob K ok, I see, thanks for the explanation! does that help? Yes - as already stated by @JRyan it is now possible to see that the ribs have been formed by clamping the ends and cutting off roughly flush with the corners, which means the construction style used is known as 'built on the back'. Together with the overall appearance of the violin that confirms to me, (not an expert but from several years of following Maestronet) that this is a typical early C20th Cottage industry trade violin probably made in the area of Markneukirchen (Germany) and Schonbach (now Luby in the Czech Republic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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