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I have what appears to be a French fiddle that needs some top plate work particularly at the bridge feet area. The pic of the corner block is identical work  to all four corners. The treble side has a small surface crack that is not evident on the inside and bass side has indentation. I believe treble side issue was a result of poorly fitted sound post. Any thoughts on how best to proceed with the restoration?  I think it is going to be a good fiddle and I want to make sure any restoration is done right. Thanks as always for the help. 

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I’d agree it needs the crack on the treble side cleaned, glued and a patch but the bass side may be a pretty serious issue as well. You might try to swell the crushed wood and get a surface that you can fit a bridge to but it may need a larger patch on the inside to push the thinned plate out on the area of the bass foot. Lot of work for a no name violin. Do you know what it is? Maybe finding out would inform your decisions on repair.

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1 hour ago, nathan slobodkin said:

I’d agree it needs the crack on the treble side cleaned, glued and a patch but the bass side may be a pretty serious issue as well. You might try to swell the crushed wood and get a surface that you can fit a bridge to but it may need a larger patch on the inside to push the thinned plate out on the area of the bass foot. Lot of work for a no name violin. Do you know what it is? Maybe finding out would inform your decisions on repair.

Thanks for all the input. Darn, I was hoping that a patch could be avoided on treble side since it seems not to far from surface.  I have not put in the time and effort to determine possible maker. I do believe it’s nice French fiddle that looks like outside mold construction and probably worth doing the repairs. Hoping some of our experts on French fiddles share some thoughts. 

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I agree that it looks like an early 19th century french, how big is it? Maybe Martin Swan will take a look. 

This looks like a classic case of too good of a fiddle to mess around with yourself, but not necessarily something you want to pay 2-3K to have done by professionally, with the risk that you might not like the sound. 

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To me it looks French/Mirecourt made according to an early 19th century model, but rather crudely executed and therefore probably more from the mid 19th. Especially the ff are roughly cut and the scroll could be confused with certain Schönbach scrolls. The construction I would assume is „with preinstalled blocks“ though even the rib joints look pinched together; tips of the linings glued over the blocks is typical French of the period.

From a restorer’s point of view a soundpost patch made with a (partial) cast is the best (if not to say only) solution to get it all clean together again in register and into a correct arching shape.

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22 hours ago, noidea22 said:

@Blank facethe scroll is confusing to me, looks kinda german, but the body rather french. but as you know, I'm a beginner at ID'ing :D

Maybe it’s not original. It looks overcoated and could be overworked to match better the style of the body.

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On 3/8/2022 at 3:03 PM, Blank face said:

To me it looks French/Mirecourt made according to an early 19th century model, but rather crudely executed and therefore probably more from the mid 19th. Especially the ff are roughly cut and the scroll could be confused with certain Schönbach scrolls. The construction I would assume is „with preinstalled blocks“ though even the rib joints look pinched together; tips of the linings glued over the blocks is typical French of the period.

From a restorer’s point of view a soundpost patch made with a (partial) cast is the best (if not to say only) solution to get it all clean together again in register and into a correct arching shape.

Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions. I took some better pics of the corners to help determine if they are pinched. 

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1 hour ago, Blank face said:

Thanks for the new photos! The rib joints now look like made the French way, the scroll is most probably not original but a touched up German.

 

@Blank face Thanks for your informative posts. Are you talking about the method that Jacob describes in this thread? Do you see evidence of that construcion method in the photos?

 

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5 hours ago, Blank face said:

Thanks for the new photos! The rib joints now look like made the French way, the scroll is most probably not original but a touched up German.

 

Thanks for the help!  When I acquired the fiddle it also came with a very nice fluted French style tailpiece that I really like. 

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1 hour ago, shunkpenn said:

Thanks for the help!  When I acquired the fiddle it also came with a very nice fluted French style tailpiece that I really like. 

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This is a German fancy tailpiece I have several in my box, but it could have joined the violin for many reasons.

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4 hours ago, tetler said:

@Blank face Thanks for your informative posts. Are you talking about the method that Jacob describes in this thread? Do you see evidence of that construcion method in the photos?

 

Your link doesn’t work but you are right that Jacob has described this method in some threads. So the answer is (probably) yes.

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