reg Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Could anyone give me a steer on this Violin please! Seems to have conflicting features - blackened pegbox, but with the scroll going back deeply into the throat etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 The usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Oh Seemed to me to be much better than the 'usual' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 It's a prettier than ususal example of "the ususal"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 'swat i thought and I've seen a great many 'usuals' Not that I dare doubt Jacob! VLDM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 28 minutes ago, reg said: 'swat i thought and I've seen a great many 'usuals' Not that I dare doubt Jacob! VLDM? Don't worry, I still do the same. There are different flavours of the usual and I don't think I've tasted them all yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Doesn't "the usual" usually have a Devil's Triangle at the bottom of the central ridge of the pegbox back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 the usual usually do, these are" known knowns" !! to quote Rumsfeld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Hi Reg, what made you use "Bergonzi" in the title? does it have a label with that name on it? Its obviously not a Bergonzi as it appears to be BOB construction. Does it have a pin in the top near the saddle or is it just a mark? It may be the photos, but the varnish appears to have been manipulated in some way, or maybe it was antiqued that way from new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 4 hours ago, Shelbow said: Don't worry, I still do the same. There are different flavours of the usual and I don't think I've tasted them all yet. 'Strewth. "Usual"s, when studied closely, separate into a kaleidoscopic mix of subtypes. Always something new out of Vogtland. 4 hours ago, Brad Dorsey said: Doesn't "the usual" usually have a Devil's Triangle at the bottom of the central ridge of the pegbox back? Like!!!!! Congrats, I feel that you just superseded the term "delta" for this feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 21 minutes ago, Violadamore said: 'Strewth. "Usual"s, when studied closely, separate into a kaleidoscopic mix of subtypes. Always something new out of Vogtland. Like!!!!! Congrats, I feel that you just superseded the term "delta" for this feature. I must have them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 18 hours ago, Delabo said: Hi Reg, what made you use "Bergonzi" in the title? Yes Carlo Bergonzi is the label Re your other questions I will reply later once I've had a decco on the violin again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, reg said: ...a decco on the violin... What is a "decco" on a violin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldG Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 37 minutes ago, Brad Dorsey said: What is a "decco" on a violin? Deek or decco is a look. I am no expert but in Scotland I think it is one of many words which have migrated to scots vernacular from the language used by the travelling people also known rather disrespectfully as “tinkers cant” , cant meaning speech or language.Some of the words are believed to be of Hindi origin, for example, to chore or chory something means to steal and was a commonly used cant word by kids in Edinburgh when I was young and may be related to the Hindi word chore meaning a thief. I might have said in Scots “ I’ll tak a deek at the fiddle “ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Brad Dorsey said: What is a "decco" on a violin? I am in southern England, Reg is a bit further up country, but we both have the same understanding of the word, so I might say ...................................... hang on a "decco", I will look it up in a dictionary https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dekko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 Sorry all - just possibly spelt wrong but quite common around here noun INFORMAL•BRITISH a quick look or glance. "come and have a dekko at this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 I'm so relieved! I tried to Google...and all I got was decorating links and/or art deco references! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Never heard that term before, maybe I have spent too much time in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 27 minutes ago, Shelbow said: Never heard that term before, maybe I have spent too much time in London. perhaps you "ave a butchers" down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said: perhaps you "ave a butchers" down there Yes that is more what I heard growing up. Only from certain groups of people though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Funny how sometimes, a totally ordinary fiddle, has echoes of something else, and the front (not the rest) of this one, (maybe just for a few seconds) has echoes of Landolfi. When I worked in a shop in the mid 1980s, we received a batch of Chinese instruments which used to retail at around £150, bow and case included ( and rosin..), which were, unwittingly I am sure, so reminiscent of some Joseph Gagliano! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 51 minutes ago, Ratcliffiddles said: Funny how sometimes, a totally ordinary fiddle, has echoes of something else, and the front (not the rest) of this one, (maybe just for a few seconds) has echoes of Landolfi. When I worked in a shop in the mid 1980s, we received a batch of Chinese instruments which used to retail at around £150, bow and case included ( and rosin..), which were, unwittingly I am sure, so reminiscent of some Joseph Gagliano! Kind of practical should one write dendrochronologishe certificates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 9 Author Report Share Posted March 9 Delabo Had my dekko The table does have a pin - don't think it is a fake The varnish is genuine I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, reg said: Delabo Had my dekko The table does have a pin - don't think it is a fake The varnish is genuine I believe Thanks for posting the picture. A pin in the front table is often another indicator along with all the other clues that the violin was built on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted March 9 Author Report Share Posted March 9 So is it the 'usual'? There is far more meticulous detail that I have seen emanating out of the Vogtland Shall I just label it Landolfi ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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