phillip77 Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Don't say "a violin!" Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotios Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 3 hours ago, phillip77 said: Don't say "a violin!" Why not a violin? To me, it looks like an old Schoenbach, circa 1800. Maybe Joseph Fuchs or Franz Placht. But that's just speculation. I'm sure one of the experts will come back and tell us more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Yacey Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 The guy that carved that scroll must have been nursing a bad hangover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 9 hours ago, phillip77 said: Don't say "a violin!" Thanks. Oh I'm sorry, we call them "Fiddles" here The scroll looks like it got exhausted and had to lean on the wall for a minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip77 Posted March 8 Author Report Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2022 at 12:12 AM, Jeny Mahon said: The scroll looks like it got exhausted and had to lean on the wall for a minute! No ideas then? With regards to the wonky scroll, I took the pictures with the fiddle balanced upright on the bed leaning against the wall. It's not actually bent if that's what people are referring to, just the way it looks in the photograph. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Markneukirchen region (what includes Schönbach) first half of the 19th century would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonMaberry Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 "the usual" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 First half of 1800s is not the usual, that comes later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonMaberry Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Humble fiddles have been made in every age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Yeah but the mass production started in the late 1800s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonMaberry Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 No argument there. The history is well understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 This actually looks like quite a nice violin, but the varnish looks a bit fishy, the scroll is typical of the region, I don't see any downside to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: First half of 1800s is not the usual, that comes later In my opinion, so did that violin, it just "looks" a little older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 It looks to be revarnished, so that throws things off a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezzupe Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Varnish looks fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: It looks to be revarnished, so that throws things off a bit. Doesn't look re-varnished to me... btw, are the cracks "real"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Ratcliffiddles said: are the cracks "real"? Good question. Indeed the "crack" in the lower treble bout seems to exist only inside the purfling, therefore it's possibly painted/scribed on only. So the impression of age or revarnishing might be an effect of the light and bad exposure only and it's of the "antique copy" kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip77 Posted March 9 Author Report Share Posted March 9 7 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said: Doesn't look re-varnished to me... btw, are the cracks "real"? Sorry not replied earlier, been at work. Yes the cracks are definitely real cracks. There is a seam open too, near the button. You can see it in the picture to the right of the button. Regarding "fishy varnish" that some people have mentioned. It isn't that "shiny" in real life. The photos made it look darker and "richer" than it actually is. I have another violin, English, from early 1800s. Side by side they're a very similar colour and patina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, phillip77 said: Yes the cracks are definitely real cracks. Maybe some, but with the one I enlarged a bit (below) I would have doubts. As I mentioned, it looks so even in thickness and at the same time so unrelated to the grain that I would assume usually that it was scribed; and a nice "screw driver" mark right across it. OlEnglis like some Duke school and old Saxon can look sometimes similar, as well as copies they made, but the scroll shape points rather clearly to Saxony/Bohemia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 18 hours ago, phillip77 said: I have another violin, English, from early 1800s. Side by side they're a very similar colour and patina. I personally see nothing whatsoever English about this violin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip77 Posted March 10 Author Report Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Ratcliffiddles said: I personally see nothing whatsoever English about this violin ?? When did I say it was English? I was replying to the other person saying the varnish looked suspicious. I'm just saying it looks the same as my English violin with regards to varnish, colour and patina. Honestly, I asked a simple question and I think only one person has actually answered it. The rest are just arguing amongst themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotios Posted March 10 Report Share Posted March 10 4 hours ago, phillip77 said: The rest are just arguing amongst themselves. Honestly, the irritation is a bit unnecessary. You got your answer. In the first response, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratcliffiddles Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 21 hours ago, phillip77 said: ?? When did I say it was English? I don't remember saying that you did, although you seem to imply a connection, and was just stating my opinion, I hope that's ok with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip77 Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 8 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said: 8 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said: I don't remember saying that you did, although you seem to imply a connection, and was just stating my opinion, I hope that's ok with you. (Redacted by MOD team) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 It doesn't bode well for your future in the violin business if you call one of our greatest experts a wanker, give me a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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