bkwood Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-60041471 Free from animal products! This will change everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Well...while I have no problem using animal based products...provided the animals are reared in a healthy environment...I'm also happy to hear about new products... ...as long as the new products don't come with a host of different "unethical" issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkwood Posted January 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 The article is remarkably free of technical information. Seems to be just a feel good nibble to the highly principled among us. Probably wasn't worth sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Maybe they can't provide more info...patent pending? I think, from the little I know, that there's probably a lot of undiscovered glues out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arglebargle Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 "This will be music to the ears of so many violinists who have longed for a high-quality instrument that is free from animal products," said the charity's Ericka Durgahee. So many...I find that hard to believe. A solution in search of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Is metal (strings, fine tuning screws) Vegan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arglebargle Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I mean, off the top of my head, the only animal product I use is the glue, and the glue used to make the purfling I use. So big f***ing deal? He just used different glue? I haven't used gut, or gut core, strings in a long time, if ever. As far as the horse hair goes, synthetic hair has been around for ages, and is roundly panned as an inferior product. So...congrats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, Don Noon said: Is metal (strings, fine tuning screws) Vegan? Technically...yes. But I wonder how mining figures into vegan ethics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 41 minutes ago, arglebargle said: "This will be music to the ears of so many violinists who have longed for a high-quality instrument that is free from animal products," said the charity's Ericka Durgahee. So many...I find that hard to believe. A solution in search of a problem. I honestly don't understand the current minority/majority weight given to certain topics/situations. It always seems that 10% of the population tries to dictate how the other 90% should behave. Anyhoo...according to the internet...vegans and vegetarians etc. make up 14% of the global population. Dunno what percentage of violinists are solely vegan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Rue said: Dunno what percentage of violinists are solely vegan... ... and long to eat their instrument if it only was vegan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glebert Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Guido said: ... and long to eat their instrument if it only was vegan. Veganism is not always limited to diet, many won't wear leather shoes, etc. Regarding the 14% stat if you include vegetarians that really is a different thing, since that is just diet. My wife has been vegetarian since she was 18, but wears leather shoes, eats honey, etc. Also, there are some cultures where vegetarian diet is almost the norm, e.g. 40% of India can be categorized as vegetarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobinson Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Hope it never gets wood worm, but I guess that wouldn't matter as long as you didn't eat it. Tim (who increasingly suspects the world has gone mad and no one told him) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGo Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Are synthetics considered vegan? They are made from petroleum which comes from long dead organic stuff including zooplankton which are technically animals in vegan terms (just like shellac bug etc.). Funny are folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just because a carrot can't scream, and doesn't have legs to try to escape, doesn't mean that it isn't a sentient being, experiencing pain and terror when it is killed or eaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 From the article: "I thought how many vegans are there, potential musicians whose ethics won't allow them to play the violin - it must be awful." Downright heartbreaking! I wonder if a vegan would be OK with glue made from an animal that died of natural causes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungling_amateur Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I have heard of instrument makers and other woodworkers who only use "reclaimed" timber so as not to kill any trees for their art. I'm wondering if making a human play the finished instrument in an orchestra counts as exploitation of a sentient being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, David Burgess said: Just because a carrot can't scream, and doesn't have legs to try to escape, doesn't mean that it isn't a sentient being, experiencing pain and terror when it is killed or eaten. Haha, actually yes, plants and all other living organisms can sense and respond to their environment especially when something causes damage to them. I think this can qualify as "pain". Sentient? Not likely. Although many tree species (e.g. oaks) can communicate warnings to their neighbors when attacked (e.g., longhorn beetles). Will the forest not be mad for killing their brethren if we use the wood wisely and make beautiful well crafted objects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedidjah de Vries Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I'm vegan. I use hide glue. I'm not super happy about it but I accept it. I do avoid ebony out of conservation concerns. Are the alternatives 100% sustainable? Probably not. We all have morals and ideals and we all do our best to live up to them; and we all accept that just because we can't do everything doesn't mean we get to do nothing. I appreciate anyone who is thoughtful about how they choose to carry themselves in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I'm switching an item on my price list from new thumb leather, to thumb lettuce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedidjah de Vries Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, David Burgess said: I'm switching an item on my price list from new thumb leather, to thumb lettuce. Does it come with salad dressing? Edit to add: Damn it. I missed the obvious "lettuce wrap" joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Violadamore Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, bungling_amateur said: I'm wondering if making a human play the finished instrument in an orchestra counts as exploitation of a sentient being? Do violists count? Oh, wait, if they did, they'd never come in at the wrong time......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunyata Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I only eat animals that eat vegetables. Does that make me vegan once-removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I was surprised to read that the maker of the vegan violin was Padrig O’Dubhlaoidh (difficult to spell!), since I have known him since the mid 80’s when he worked in Vienna briefly. Paddy is a charming colleague, who I, amongst other things, particularly remember as an expert on Mother of Pearl, which is surely far from vegan, so I presume he was just accommodating the foible of some customer. Since nobody can spell his name, he trades as “Hibernian violins” in Malvern, where I visited him many years ago. Coming from Austria, one is always a bit incredulous what a fuss the people of Malvern make of their cute hills Handmade Violins by Hibernian – Fine stringed instruments by Padraig ó Dubhlaoidh (handmade-violins.co.uk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avandesande Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I stopped feeding my violins meat a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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