thesoundword Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) Signed 1926 Ernst Heinrich Roth 1724 Stradivarius Copy Violin Would this Shopgoodwill.com Roth be considered a VIIIR (since it is a 1724 model) or a XIR(since it’s signed)? Bidding is that about $4600 now with four days left. How high do people think this one will go for? The only negative I can see is a giant crack on the treble bout Edited January 14 by thesoundword Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 SGW fiddles always go through the roof; this one will probably go into orbit. Knowing the deep pockets who always bid on good fiddles there, I'm guessing it will go for close to $7K. That brand new crack on top, heading towards the vicinity of the soundpost (not quite on it but pretty close) plus whatever other issues it has that we can't see due to the bad photos, will cost quite a bit to repair properly. Especially if it needs a soundpost patch, and if it has one of those, it will decrease the value. Do all of that math, plus the time it takes to sell it at retail value, and I say, "y'all have fun with all that!!" Granted if a player bought it and was BFFs with a professional luthier who would give them friend prices to repair it, maybe it would be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 21 minutes ago, Jeny Mahon said: Granted if a player bought it and was BFFs with a professional luthier who would give them friend prices to repair it, maybe it would be OK. we can work something out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Just now, duane88 said: we can work something out... welp, I guess I better sign up for a fiddle class then...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Alexander Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 What is the appeal of buying or selling an expensive instrument using Shop Goodwill? Do they have expert appraisers and luthiers on staff? Do they provide reliable attributions or condition reports? The OP violin looks a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Considering it's likely going to need to be regraduated, the price is already a bit too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 10 hours ago, John Alexander said: What is the appeal of buying or selling an expensive instrument using Shop Goodwill? Charitable donation for the seller, and buyer is supporting the charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsakee Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Since, it's only a guess (and, I'm not afraid to guess) that, if their records show it was built by the Old Man, they'd authenticate it as being an XIR. My second guess is it would be an VIII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 On 1/14/2022 at 5:14 AM, Woodland said: Considering it's likely going to need to be regraduated, the price is already a bit too high. Only an idiot would regraduate a 1924 Roth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 My guess was a bit low.. Yoiks! 39 minutes to go. https://shopgoodwill.com/item/137133559 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thesoundword Posted January 18 Author Report Share Posted January 18 Whoa! Went for a bit more than I thought it would. A few weeks ago I bought a SGW 1937 Roth Strad 1725 model that was in pristine condition. Although the 30s Roths are seemingly less desirable, this instrument’s quality is very high. Why do people think their quality dipped in the years (33-38) leading up to WW2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Goodwill buys one of their own violins again, look for it to be relisted soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 14 hours ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: Goodwill buys one of their own violins again, look for it to be relisted soon. Are you suggesting that the buyer is going to back out of the transaction? Or are you saying that Goodwill had some shill bidders who were running up the total? I bought a violin at the site last summer, and it arrived with a new crack So I contacted them and they were very happy to take it back and refund my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 Shill bidding seems to be rampant on the goodwill auctions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Alexander Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Seems an insanely high price to pay for that instrument. Why do people go so crazy for E.H. Roth fiddles? I cannot say I have ever been impressed by one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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