Rue Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Once in a while we use old paintings as "proof" of the how/why of old violins and what they were like in "back the day". While this painting doesn’t feature a violin...it is "proof" that they made oopsies back then too. Take everything with a grain of salt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) Note: Don't use Chagall for advice on f-hole placement. Edited January 8 by Rue Plagued by typos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 @PhilipKT Avoid this style of bow (Thomas Eakins musta misplaced his glasses): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Rue said: Once in a while we use old paintings as "proof" of the how/why of old violins and what they were like in "back the day". While this painting doesn’t feature a violin...it is "proof" that they made oopsies back then too. Take everything with a grain of salt! I'm slow, it took me a while to realize what's wrong with that picture lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Rue said: Once in a while we use old paintings as "proof" of the how/why of old violins and what they were like in "back the day". While this painting doesn’t feature a violin...it is "proof" that they made oopsies back then too. Take everything with a grain of salt! Nice! 47 minutes ago, Rue said: Note: Don't use Chagill for advice on f-hole placement. But the birbs seem to love it, so he must have been onto something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlnclo Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Rue said: Note: Don't use Chagill for advice on f-hole placement. Just for the record: Chagall. And even though his violin design was slightly off-beat, he was definitely onto something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Beard Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Rue said: Once in a while we use old paintings as "proof" of the how/why of old violins and what they were like in "back the day". Ah, while it's not evidence at all of anything about the time christ was born, or evidence that such an event ever occurred at all, yet it's still excellent evidence that crucifixes of that basic kind existed when that portion of the painting was painted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bean Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Nowadays and back in history, only a slight minority among painters and other artists is (was) able to paint, draw or sculpture a bowed instrument that will be acceptable as a realistic image for a member of the violin making trade: Art seems to be about something completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Preuss Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 14 hours ago, Rue said: Once in a while we use old paintings as "proof" of the how/why of old violins and what they were like in "back the day". While this painting doesn’t feature a violin...it is "proof" that they made oopsies back then too. Take everything with a grain of salt! That’s certainly not an oopsie. Pictures like that were highly allegorical and it makes complete sense to see it as an allegory on the entire life of Jesus Christ. I am sure that you’ll find on a deeper analysis more things. I’d be curious which landscape and city is pictured in the background and who are the people except the three kings. (is it eventually a French painting?) —————- Well, Chagall didn’t try to be realistic and for the Eakins I’d rather say the guy plays a viola and the left hand looks weird on a closer look…. but you know what, if we go into the realism of musical instruments in paintings we could start an endless MN discussion about who is right and who is wrong. (Uups, shouldn’t have said that. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) I briefly tried to find the artist...but didn't have time to keep looking. You are likely quite right! However...while I was was looking I just discovered Hermann Kern. How NOT to hold your bow; Edited January 9 by Rue ...stalked by typos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 42 minutes ago, Andreas Preuss said: …. but you know what, if we go into the realism of musical instruments in paintings we could start an endless MN discussion about who is right and who is wrong. (Uups, shouldn’t have said that. ) We did...a while ago...I'll link to it if I can find it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobinson Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 The wear on the instrument hanging in the background looks right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 I have two reproductions of paintings in my workshop that I think are quite accurate: This is "The Old Violin" circa 1890 in the National Gallery of Art. The lower corners and the F holes are a bit off, but it looks like an accurate depiction of a crude violin. This one is by a local New Hampshire artist, late 20th Century. It looks exactly right to me; even the Becker chinrest is recognizable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 As always, minds on "idle" are the mainspring of Maestronet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 ...it's been -40°C...for days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Rue said: ...it's been -40°C...for days... Oh, good! When you give the temp right now, it'll mean the same to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 ...or 233K... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Rue said: ...or 233K... [Counts on her fingers for a moment.] Ahhh! 13.698 terahertz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 ...or 420°R... (...now I'm outta scales...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Preuss Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Rue said: ...it's been -40°C...for days... Canada is a chilly place. I just read that in Regina temperatures often go -40c. Hope you have good heating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Beard Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 On 1/7/2022 at 5:29 PM, Rue said: @PhilipKT Avoid this style of bow (Thomas Eakins musta misplaced his glasses): Or copied Ingres drawings of Paganini. Technical styles have varied significantly historically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 It's warming up! Only -23°C at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 Ingres...Eakins...need to pay more attention to detail! Seriously...even artistic license works best if you don’t exceed certain parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle duke Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 On 1/8/2022 at 7:01 PM, Violadamore said: As always, minds on "idle" are the mainspring of Maestronet. I remember taking off from a frosty Tallahassee on morning, headed east to 75 S., windows still up, then turned off the heat, got closer to Gainesville the window is opened slightly, then the other, then the wing vents, unbuttoned shirt, took shirt off to t-shirt only, rolled windows down and couldn't believe the temperature transformation all with-in 20 - 25 miles. From Leesburg south to Key Largo was a joy!! Then realized I still had to traverse deep into the keys for a few more hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 On 1/9/2022 at 9:05 AM, Rue said: ...it's been -40°C...for days... I've had +40C just then. Better still, this time of year a few years back, I travelled from +40C in Perth Australia to -40C in Alberta Canada. There are no words to describe the shock to the body; don't need to be made of wood to get into trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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