germain Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Whoever made this violin scroll was not their "forte" https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199552000&cpid=3759669248&filter_key= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 I like it. To me it is very interesting. I have quite a few violins with curious scrolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 Yes I can tell by looking at your profile picture... but come on this one on the OP is pretty funky looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 There are a few historical Italian makers with Scrolls that are kind of funky looking. I enjoy the individualism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 True and I am all about individualism... I have an instrument with an unique scroll but it is also executed with beauty and precision not like the one on the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Sometimes there is beauty in chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 Just now, Shelbow said: Sometimes this is beauty in chaos Haha yes you are right I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 I understand what you're saying, but I'd rather see a wonky individualistic or amateur scroll than another generic trade scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three13 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 It looks like they were trying for an early Brescian vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 36 minutes ago, Three13 said: It looks like they were trying for an early Brescian vibe. Definitely something like that, it's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Preuss Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 8 hours ago, germain said: Whoever made this violin scroll was not their "forte" https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/lot/?csid=2199552000&cpid=3759669248&filter_key= Maybe this was the makers ‘forte’. We shouldn’t forget that some makers were too poor to buy the tools to make a clean scroll. Many of them didn’t even know how a clean scroll looked like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jacobsaunders Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 It’s much easier to carve the fluting “to the bitter end” like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I wonder if anyone did a dendro - looks quite like Szoradi's work to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: It’s much easier to carve the fluting “to the bitter end” like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 32 minutes ago, martin swan said: I wonder if anyone did a dendro - looks quite like Szoradi's work to me Interesting, definitely looks like a good candidate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 I remember seeing a discussion a while back here... https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/340015-at-it-again/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Scroll profile pictures are useful for appraising what a fiddle is. To remember all the different shapes, one has to use or invent some mnemonic tricks with a bit of fantasy, otherwise one will never remember enough. I always think of the scroll/peg box profile, as if it were the profile of some person, and try to imagine his/her/its attitude. Here we have a pegbox whose outlines run fairly parallel to each other, with a scroll stuck on top almost as an afterthought Some scrolls sit there like someone with their chin pressed down on their chest, and others sit there like someone sitting there with their chin up, this one being an extreme example of the latter. This would correspond to my notes on violins from Silesia, which we discussed elsewhere. It could just as well fit the character of something from somewhere else I don't know (I have for instance never heard of Szoradi) This way of looking can be useful. A few months ago, we had a correspondent who was convinced that his gargoyle was a Testore. Testore is one of those with their chins up, so that one could see that his couldn’t be a Testore in a million years, from across the street (not that he was to convinced by the argument) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 27 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: ... a correspondent who was convinced that his gargoyle was a Testore. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, martin swan said: I wonder if anyone did a dendro - looks quite like Szoradi's work to me Interesting thought, but I don't think so. It's not "naive" enough, and his work is somehow cleaner, sharper edges, straight rib joints, much use of sandpaper and so on. Or he has much improved his skills. This doesn't mean that I would buy it as early 18th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Alexander Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I find this instrument to be very interesting and unique. Although the scroll is somewhat haphazard and childish, it is beautiful in a rustic, primitive way. I wonder how it sounds? Does it appear to be 18th century? Tyrolese or Italian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 3 hours ago, John Alexander said: I find this instrument to be very interesting and unique. Although the scroll is somewhat haphazard and childish, it is beautiful in a rustic, primitive way. I wonder how it sounds? Does it appear to be 18th century? Tyrolese or Italian? I like it too, I'm a sucker for wonky stuff like this I wonder if the scroll was a replacement? I'm not sure it matches the overall workmanship on the fiddle. Maybe it was an enthusiastic repair person who carved it, and/or it was added to misdirect... to what I don't know! Whatever the case, I'm not one to talk, it's probably better than I could do! It's only 350 though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 A little bit off topic but why did clean French fiddles with Rampal certificates ended up at T2? Also the Pietro Landophi Lot 226 looks very intriguing to me. Could it be real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Alexander Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Looks as though several bidders thought very highly of lot 226. Sold for way over estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Alexander Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, germain said: why did clean French fiddles with Rampal certificates ended up at T2? Condition issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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