Andreas Preuss Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 RULES 1. Draw a violin outline with f holes free hand (without any technical help of a ruler or divider). It is allowed to make a drawing looking at a picture. 2. Please post your drawing and nothing else, no comments on your own drawing are allowed. 3. Each participant can submit one drawing. 4. Drawings can be submitted until December 31,2021 5. No comments allowed until 1-1-2022, not even on your own drawing. 6. In January participants can give awards to each other and make comments. Funny names for the awards are allowed, but with respect please. Comments on your own drawing are then allowed too. People who made the drawing from a picture may show the picture. 7. No word fights, no comments using YouTube. 8. Lets have fun! 9. for any questions PM me please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 I wish I could draw. I would love to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, PhilipKT said: I wish I could draw. I would love to participate. Get a pencil, hold it in your hand, and move it around on paper. I see nothing in the rules that says it has to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Don Noon said: Get a pencil, hold it in your hand, and move it around on paper. I see noting in the rules that says it has to be good. Well that worked for Pollock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 This should be fun. Great idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flattmountain Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 58 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: Well that worked for Pollock Modern art what can I say… ya just gotta be smart enough to interpret. In the good old days, you didn’t have to be smart, the artist did that for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Kasprzyk Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Here's some free-hand sketches of various historic instrument shapes all of which have the same proportions. I suspect the corner points were added to bash the player's hand and bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mark Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marty Kasprzyk said: Here's some free-hand sketches of various historic instrument shapes... Lol - you draw remarkable free-hand straight lines. In the spirit of the request, we may want to dispense with rulers - and probably compasses, tracing paper, overhead projectors, engineering paper, stuff like that, and just draw a freehand violin with f-holes on a piece of paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Kasprzyk Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Dr. Mark said: Lol - you draw remarkable free-hand straight lines. In the spirit of the request, we may want to dispense with rulers - and probably compasses, tracing paper, overhead projectors, engineering paper, stuff like that, and just draw a freehand violin with f-holes on a piece of paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Outline with F holes you mean like just a face on view of a top plate? No neck sides or 3D view perspective ? Sounds like fun, I might give it a go if I have time with so many other things going on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Kasprzyk Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said: RULES 1. Draw a violin outline with f holes free hand (without any technical help of a ruler or divider). It is allowed to make a drawing looking at a picture. 2. Please post your drawing and nothing else, no comments on your own drawing are allowed. 3. Each participant can submit one drawing. 4. Drawings can be submitted until December 31,2021 5. No comments allowed until 1-1-2022, not even on your own drawing. 6. In January participants can give awards to each other and make comments. Funny names for the awards are allowed, but with respect please. Comments on your own drawing are then allowed too. People who made the drawing from a picture may show the picture. 7. No word fights, no comments using YouTube. 8. Lets have fun! 9. for any questions PM me please. Are we supposed to draw a certain famous old violin or should we draw a violin like we make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Sora Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 In the rules I do not see any rigid indications to reproduce any violin of any kind, only a violin outline with F holes, so I suppose that also leaves room for our free artistic interpretation. Or is the contest to see who is better and more precise at drawing an outline as realistic and accurate as possible? In this case, is it permissible to use a sheet with squares or proportional lines of reference? Because that's what I would definitely do if I were to create an outline to use for construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Flattmountain said: Modern art what can I say… ya just gotta be smart enough to interpret. In the good old days, you didn’t have to be smart, the artist did that for you With all due respect, I must echo an argument that is made since the first time that man splashed random paint on a canvas, and that is that “random can be artistic but cannot be art.” If a Pollock is art, So is a Rorschach test. However, as delightful as this exchange is it represents a digression from the subject, and Andreas has asked me to participate so I am going to give it that old Harvard try… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Jackson Pollock's works are most certainly the artworks of a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Jackson Pollock's works are most certainly the artworks of a genius. So are some of the Beatles songs, since they managed to give them meaning when played either forward or backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spelman Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Jackson Pollock's works are most certainly the artworks of a genius. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 My art history classes were some of the best/most enlightening classes I ever took. Art, like eveything else, evolves and develops over time, and reflects the current society. Before the camera - art was more "realistic" (with exceptions) because we wanted a recognizable image (symbolism notwithstanding). Then the camera arrived...and since a photo could cover the necessary realism, art was free to evolve. Cutting edge artists, who pushed boundaries, are great thinkers and visionaries. Pollock didn't just wake up one morning and decide to "splash" paint on a canvas and then call it a day. Like the visual image or not - it represents the evolution of visual art. Similarly, 4'33" represents the evolution of music. These are brilliant works. But it takes a bit of work on the part of the viewer/listener to fully appreciate the genius. So no. As proud as one may be of their 3-year old - who can paint "just as good" as Picasso...they really can not. Not to mention...if someone copies someone else's genius...all they are doing is copying - not innovating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catnip Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 My brother has been doing portraits all his life and said that he had a lot of difficulty including a violin in one of his paintings because he never "looked" closely at violins . His copying skills from portrait photos is excellent but the violin has a lot of "extra" features he was not aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Rue said: These are brilliant works. But it takes a bit of work on the part of the viewer/listener to fully appreciate the genius. I presume the same is true for Warhol's Campbell's Soup Cans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rue Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, David Burgess said: I presume the same is true for Warhol's Campbell's Soup Cans? Yup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PhilipKT Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Rue said: My art history classes were some of the best/most enlightening classes I ever took. Art, like eveything else, evolves and develops over time, and reflects the current society. Before the camera - art was more "realistic" (with exceptions) because we wanted a recognizable image (symbolism notwithstanding). Then the camera arrived...and since a photo could cover the necessary realism, art was free to evolve. Cutting edge artists, who pushed boundaries, are great thinkers and visionaries. Pollock didn't just wake up one morning and decide to "splash" paint on a canvas and then call it a day. Like the visual image or not - it represents the evolution of visual art. Similarly, 4'33" represents the evolution of music. These are brilliant works. But it takes a bit of work on the part of the viewer/listener to fully appreciate the genius. So no. As proud as one may be of their 3-year old - who can paint "just as good" as Picasso...they really can not. Not to mention...if someone copies someone else's genius...all they are doing is copying - not innovating. I love you dear but(redacted) a chat for another time… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Sure! Next year! Go draw a violin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Andreas Preuss said: Big corners… hmmm who did big corners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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