El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Hi - interested to know more if possible about this bow. No Roman numerals, no pins in adjuster, a thick screw I haven't seen before. I am assuming it is a silver mounted German but any info gratefully received. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 The usual factory bow then ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 I like it. I have seen that oversized eye with the thin ring before but can’t place it. Also, the slide look shorter than usual. Is that a thing? Is the nipple worn? The button looks off center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Usually bows with such coarse thread on the thumbscrew are older, newer bows tend to have really tight thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: I like it. I have seen that oversized eye with the thin ring before but can’t place it. Also, the slide look shorter than usual. Is that a thing? Is the nipple worn? The button looks off center. Think the slide is ok - narrower than usual metal edging to the pearl slide. The nipple looks okay but for some reason it looks as if the stick has been planed thinner on the the bottom facet so there is less wood from the nipple compared to the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: Usually bows with such coarse thread on the thumbscrew are older, newer bows tend to have really tight thread Thanks very much I'm used to seeing the newer ones you mention with a sharper edge and thinner body. Thanks Strad O Various Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Regarding the thread, my bow guy told me that the German thread making machines produced threads that were wider and rounder, but I don’t remember him saying anything about the date, or whether wide round thread was only used from this year to that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Nice bow - the model is Bausch, but it looks more like early 20th century than 19th from what we can see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, martin swan said: Nice bow - the model is Bausch, but it looks more like early 20th century than 19th from what we can see here. Thanks for that Martin. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: Regarding the thread, my bow guy told me that the German thread making machines produced threads that were wider and rounder, but I don’t remember him saying anything about the date, or whether wide round thread was only used from this year to that year. All great to know. Many thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, martin swan said: Nice bow - the model is Bausch, but it looks more like early 20th century than 19th from what we can see here. Yeah, i was meaning the thread looked 100 years old not 50 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 We know officially from a survey from 1872 (your bow is later, but same difference) that there were 70 bow making shops in Markneukirchen and a further 100 in surrounding villages, with 42 registered journeymen as well as 76 part suppliers, and that almost no bows were stamped. Any stamps were generally from dealers. Should one consider all of that, it is evident that wanting to work out from whom some random bow is, is the very definition of a pointless waste of time. If you get a nice warm feeling calling it a “Bausch”, fair enough, but you should realise that you are deluding yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 To me it looks in all aspects like made more close to the mid 19th century than to 1900. The model of frog and head are all over Bausch (senior), but these were usually made by Knopf family members, and surely copied by others, too. The wide adjuster being thicker than the stick is quite usual for this period. For Knopf the chamfers are a bit too narrow in my eyes. But a nice bow and surely not mass produced/usual trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: We know officially from a survey from 1872 (your bow is later, but same difference) that there were 70 bow making shops in Markneukirchen and a further 100 in surrounding villages, with 42 registered journeymen as well as 76 part suppliers, and that almost no bows were stamped. Any stamps were generally from dealers. Should one consider all of that, it is evident that wanting to work out from whom some random bow is, is the very definition of a pointless waste of time. If you get a nice warm feeling calling it a “Bausch”, fair enough, but you should realise that you are deluding yourself. The guilds made sure that every shop met certain standards of excellence, correct? So nobody could just say they made bows, but had to prove it first, right? Did the guilds keep track of which shops were the most popular and prolific and best regarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, Blank face said: To me it looks in all aspects like made more close to the mid 19th century than to 1900. The model of frog and head are all over Bausch (senior), but these were usually made by Knopf family members, and surely copied by others, too. The wide adjuster being thicker than the stick is quite usual for this period. For Knopf the chamfers are a bit too narrow in my eyes. But a nice bow and surely not mass produced/usual trade. Thank you for your help Blank face much appreciated. Interesting re the adjuster I will bear that in mind in future. Great info and help as ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Duce Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: We know officially from a survey from 1872 (your bow is later, but same difference) that there were 70 bow making shops in Markneukirchen and a further 100 in surrounding villages, with 42 registered journeymen as well as 76 part suppliers, and that almost no bows were stamped. Any stamps were generally from dealers. Should one consider all of that, it is evident that wanting to work out from whom some random bow is, is the very definition of a pointless waste of time. If you get a nice warm feeling calling it a “Bausch”, fair enough, but you should realise that you are deluding yourself. Thank you Jacob I wasn't aware of that about the bows and stamps - good to know. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, PhilipKT said: The guilds made sure that every shop met certain standards of excellence, correct? So nobody could just say they made bows, but had to prove it first, right? Did the guilds keep track of which shops were the most popular and prolific and best regarded? This was the case roughly till the end of the 18th century, but afterwards the guilds were more interested in organizing the business and trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, El Duce said: The nipple looks okay but for some reason it looks as if the stick has been planed thinner on the the bottom facet so there is less wood from the nipple compared to the top. Could you show the other side of stick and frog to see if there is anything altered? The metal underslide looks very assymetrical, so it's possible that the frog and stick were altered to fit and possibly both weren't going together from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 I am pretty dubious about whether the mounts go with the stick. I also think that the mounts are a Bausch "hommage" rather than the real thing - but I like the frog a bit more than the button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 11 hours ago, martin swan said: I am pretty dubious about whether the mounts go with the stick. I also think that the mounts are a Bausch "hommage" rather than the real thing - but I like the frog a bit more than the button It won't be that unusual if frog/adjuster and stick were made by different specialist shops. You could look into Deutsche Bogenmacher and will find that several of the pictured Bausch (shop) bows have buttons much wider than the sticks, and that a long thin nose of the head was also common, the rather long ferrule, too. I agree with the opinions above that such an adjuster thread points to a relative early period, i.e. pre ca.1870. What makes me wonder is the significant difference between the diagonal facettes of the upper metal slide of the frog, but I found this feature also sometimes at fast produced bows from the period. That's all very difficult to judge by photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 The collar on the adjuster should surely be round where it meets the stick for 1870 - Ludwig Bausch Jr etc? It appears to have a sharp edge ... Also the ebony ring is quite wide. We've had a couple of later Bausch bows and this just doesn't seem to have the quality - too many sharp edges where they should be round and round where they should be sharp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 11 hours ago, martin swan said: I am pretty dubious about whether the mounts go with the stick. I also think that the mounts are a Bausch "hommage" rather than the real thing - but I like the frog a bit more than the button there's an error in the system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, martin swan said: The collar on the adjuster should surely be round where it meets the stick for 1870 - Ludwig Bausch Jr etc? It appears to have a sharp edge ... Also the ebony ring is quite wide. We've had a couple of later Bausch bows and this just doesn't seem to have the quality - too many sharp edges where they should be round and round where they should be sharp! I was talking more about period and style. It's not a Bausch shop bow, or made for them by a recognizable maker, on that we can agree. I mentioned the chamfers of the head before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 Its a nice bow and i would say around 1880. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I dont know what Martin is on about looks pretty more of less rounded to me. The screw fits with 19th century as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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