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Tarisio Lot 143 (Guadagnini) withdrawn


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The violin had a $1M bid and then was withdrawn.  I wonder if it was for a private sale, or a sudden question of authenticity, or maybe the seller wanted more than a million and only one bidder took the bait (unless more bids rolled in after I checked).  

That Guadagnini was the centerpiece of the auction, I was surprised to see the lot withdrawn.  Thoughts?

 

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With Guadagnini's now going for seven figures in some cases (the new "poor man's" strad), I can see a Foundation scooping this up or even an investor.  The seller could have gotten a private offer that exceeded the fees at Tarisio, or the auction house itself could have facilitated the private sale as a better deal for themselves.

I assume it's financial only.  A seller like Tarisio, making this a centerpiece auction sale, would have had their ducks in a row with respect to the authenticity and provenance.

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8 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Nobody on Maestronet will know for certain, apart from the Tarisians themselves, and they won’t tell you, so it’s a bit like speculating if Ronaldo wouldn’t rather play for Manchester City.

Of course he would rather play for Elsley.

 

Rats. The link I posted won’t post… go to YouTube and look up Elsley Football commercial. It’s hilarious

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4 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Nobody on Maestronet will know for certain, apart from the Tarisians themselves, and they won’t tell you, so it’s a bit like speculating if Ronaldo wouldn’t rather play for Manchester City.

I think he'd rather play for Liverpool:D

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Am I the only one who's seen the subtle and rather aggressive constant attacks by Chris Reuning towards Tarisio on social media, including recent podcasts :) ? He seems to have a chip on his shoulder about them....they must be doing something right!! I have my own issues with Tarisio, both good ones with some criticism as well but it is fascinating and entertaining to watch Mr. Reuning chase his former house.

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Hello all,

I have no idea why the Guadagnini would have been withdrawn, but can assure you that no auction house would pull something like that for a private sale and I doubt any owner would either.

In my experience, the possibilities are few (as I wrote on Facebook)

1. Ownership dispute (i.e. stolen, estate dispute, WW2 claim)

2. Authenticity issue

Chris

 

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2 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Yup.  My thoughts exactly.  :)

OK earthquakes then .... Damn that doesn't work either

Anyway, suffice to say that I don't subscribe to the brave notion that all competition is good. We are not put on this earth to serve the economy, and many good people's businesses fail in the face of larger forces.

On the other hand I would not wish Tarisio to be anything other than what they are - they have a fantastic business model.

But the wheel turns albeit slowly, , and what makes you strong can easily make you weak

19 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Haven't they been one of the major influences on increasing antique fiddle prices? 

I think that's more down to the internet in general and the sudden availability of sales information, coupled with the globalisation of the violin trade and the demand from China. Tarisio have surfed this wave rather than caused it to form ... IMHO. 

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9 hours ago, GeorgeH said:

I would add:

3. An unreported/unnoticed condition issue

GeorgeH,

Good point, but condition problems usually result in a discreetly altered condition report and maybe an adjustment to the estimate or reserve. Rarely would an item be withdrawn especially when it is the star lot for this reason and not in the 11th hour. (In my experience at least)

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Since this one looks like it ought to, and has a fairly illustrious provenance (along with a stack of consistent papers stretching back over a century), I'd wager that it isn't an authenticity issue. Plus, it hasn't been pulled from the Cozio Archive, which I imagine they'd do if there was a controversy surrounding its authorship.

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Thanks for your comments, everyone.  I was less concerned with the specifics to this lot, which none of us can answer, and more of the general conditions that lead to this kind of outcome.  Very informative.

 

Martin, I also enjoyed your website immensely and your grading of instrument tone.  It was illuminating.

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