dpappas Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 The violin had a $1M bid and then was withdrawn. I wonder if it was for a private sale, or a sudden question of authenticity, or maybe the seller wanted more than a million and only one bidder took the bait (unless more bids rolled in after I checked). That Guadagnini was the centerpiece of the auction, I was surprised to see the lot withdrawn. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrissweden Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Or perhaps, the seller decided not to auction it and pay the fine. Possibly there was someone who would pay more. I have no idea, the violin looked nice. I don't think it's a fake but would like to hear the opinion of our maestronet "experts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 The fine would have been pretty big, so if they did get a better offer lets hope it was a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpappas Posted October 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 With Guadagnini's now going for seven figures in some cases (the new "poor man's" strad), I can see a Foundation scooping this up or even an investor. The seller could have gotten a private offer that exceeded the fees at Tarisio, or the auction house itself could have facilitated the private sale as a better deal for themselves. I assume it's financial only. A seller like Tarisio, making this a centerpiece auction sale, would have had their ducks in a row with respect to the authenticity and provenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Nobody on Maestronet will know for certain, apart from the Tarisians themselves, and they won’t tell you, so it’s a bit like speculating if Ronaldo wouldn’t rather play for Manchester City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Nobody on Maestronet will know for certain, apart from the Tarisians themselves, and they won’t tell you, so it’s a bit like speculating if Ronaldo wouldn’t rather play for Manchester City. Of course he would rather play for Elsley. Rats. The link I posted won’t post… go to YouTube and look up Elsley Football commercial. It’s hilarious Edited October 26, 2021 by PhilipKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muswell Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Nobody on Maestronet will know for certain, apart from the Tarisians themselves, and they won’t tell you, so it’s a bit like speculating if Ronaldo wouldn’t rather play for Manchester City. I think he'd rather play for Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaker Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Am I the only one who's seen the subtle and rather aggressive constant attacks by Chris Reuning towards Tarisio on social media, including recent podcasts ? He seems to have a chip on his shoulder about them....they must be doing something right!! I have my own issues with Tarisio, both good ones with some criticism as well but it is fascinating and entertaining to watch Mr. Reuning chase his former house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Tarisio are phenomenally successful - everyone who’s not Tarisio has issues with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, martin swan said: Tarisio are phenomenally successful - everyone who’s not Tarisio has issues with them I don't. When the tide rises, it floats the smaller boats sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Violadamore said: I don't. When the tide rises, it floats the smaller boats sooner. So in what way would you say that Tarisio is floating your boat? A hurricane takes out all but the stoutest trees … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, martin swan said: So in what way would you say that Tarisio is floating your boat? A hurricane takes out all but the stoutest trees … Haven't they been one of the major influences on increasing antique fiddle prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, martin swan said: Tarisio are phenomenally successful - everyone who’s not Tarisio has issues with them I’d rather buy from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Awwww... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Who said romance was dead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
______ Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 12 hours ago, martin swan said: So in what way would you say that Tarisio is floating your boat? A hurricane takes out all but the stoutest trees … The storm breaks the oaks and only sways the reeds ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Reuning Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Hello all, I have no idea why the Guadagnini would have been withdrawn, but can assure you that no auction house would pull something like that for a private sale and I doubt any owner would either. In my experience, the possibilities are few (as I wrote on Facebook) 1. Ownership dispute (i.e. stolen, estate dispute, WW2 claim) 2. Authenticity issue Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Christopher Reuning said: In my experience, the possibilities are few (as I wrote on Facebook) 1. Ownership dispute (i.e. stolen, estate dispute, WW2 claim) 2. Authenticity issue I would add: 3. An unreported/unnoticed condition issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 6 hours ago, ______ said: The storm breaks the oaks and only sways the reeds ;-) Yup. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Violadamore said: Yup. My thoughts exactly. OK earthquakes then .... Damn that doesn't work either Anyway, suffice to say that I don't subscribe to the brave notion that all competition is good. We are not put on this earth to serve the economy, and many good people's businesses fail in the face of larger forces. On the other hand I would not wish Tarisio to be anything other than what they are - they have a fantastic business model. But the wheel turns albeit slowly, , and what makes you strong can easily make you weak 19 hours ago, Violadamore said: Haven't they been one of the major influences on increasing antique fiddle prices? I think that's more down to the internet in general and the sudden availability of sales information, coupled with the globalisation of the violin trade and the demand from China. Tarisio have surfed this wave rather than caused it to form ... IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Reuning Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 9 hours ago, GeorgeH said: I would add: 3. An unreported/unnoticed condition issue GeorgeH, Good point, but condition problems usually result in a discreetly altered condition report and maybe an adjustment to the estimate or reserve. Rarely would an item be withdrawn especially when it is the star lot for this reason and not in the 11th hour. (In my experience at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three13 Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Since this one looks like it ought to, and has a fairly illustrious provenance (along with a stack of consistent papers stretching back over a century), I'd wager that it isn't an authenticity issue. Plus, it hasn't been pulled from the Cozio Archive, which I imagine they'd do if there was a controversy surrounding its authorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaker Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 I hope the Pressenda in the New York auction stays- it looks sensational!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpappas Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Thanks for your comments, everyone. I was less concerned with the specifics to this lot, which none of us can answer, and more of the general conditions that lead to this kind of outcome. Very informative. Martin, I also enjoyed your website immensely and your grading of instrument tone. It was illuminating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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