Luigi Azzola violin 1916

[Alexander Stewart]

Dear BassClef,

Here are some photos of my Luigi Azzola violin from 1916 as promised.

[BassClef]

Thank you! Nice looking violin, I wonder what caused these dark features, I am often too quick to think stripped and revarnished so what causes this?

 

[jacobsaunders]

10 minutes ago, BassClef said:

Thank you! Nice looking violin, I wonder what caused these dark features, I am often too quick to think stripped and revarnished so what causes this?

 

 

That is a very diplomatic way of saying that something looks stripped/re-varnished, compliment

[Gtone]

Hi Alexander,

Do you know any of the instruments provenance.

I would also query the varnish,

looks like some residual on the bass f hole and rear of the pegbox.

Also wondering, why the grafted neck?

[fiddlecollector]

3 hours ago, BassClef said:

Thank you! Nice looking violin, I wonder what caused these dark features, I am often too quick to think stripped and revarnished so what causes this?

 

Its obviously had the corner broken off(or almost off)

[BassClef]

17 minutes ago, fiddlecollector said:

Its obviously had the corner broken off(or almost off)

That does not explain the darker marks lower down the c-bout edge.

[Blank face]

I could be wrong, but the label looks very similar to a modern laser print, and the bottom wood with the vertical stripes like wood used at Chinese violins.

But with the unfocused photos it is hard to tell something for sure.

[BassClef]

28 minutes ago, Blank face said:

I could be wrong, but the label looks very similar to a modern laser print, and the bottom wood with the vertical stripes like wood used at Chinese violins.

But with the unfocused photos it is hard to tell something for sure.

The photos appear well focused on my computer, I found that MN shows us an unfocused preview, but when you click on an image it will pop up into a new window and then it can be clicked again to further enlarge it. See if that helps or maybe you've done that and the images are not sharp enough for your purposes.

[Blank face]

1 hour ago, BassClef said:

The photos appear well focused on my computer, I found that MN shows us an unfocused preview, but when you click on an image it will pop up into a new window and then it can be clicked again to further enlarge it. See if that helps or maybe you've done that and the images are not sharp enough for your purposes.

Thanks, of course the photos are more focused with enlargement, but still low with resolution and coarse pixels. But the bottom doesn’t look like anything from the early 20th century to me and the belly definitely has lost most of its varnish according to your keen observations.

[Alexander Stewart]

7 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

That is a very diplomatic way of saying that something looks stripped/re-varnished, compliment

Nothing re-varnished here actually quite the opposite. Due to the thinness of the varnish in certain places, the varnish has worn off....but all 100% original

[Alexander Stewart]

5 hours ago, fiddlecollector said:

Its obviously had the corner broken off(or almost off)

Yes true!

[jacobsaunders]

13 minutes ago, Alexander Stewart said:

 

 

18 hours ago, Alexander Stewart said:

13 minutes ago, Alexander Stewart said:

Nothing re-varnished here actually quite the opposite. Due to the thinness of the varnish in certain places, the varnish has worn off....but all 100% original

Worn off everywhere except the f wings?

[Gtone]

Also,with respect,why the new membership for this post?

Was there a problem with posting using your other name?

See here: the MORIZOT PERE thread? there was a link????

 

[Nick Allen]

14 hours ago, BassClef said:

Thank you! Nice looking violin, I wonder what caused these dark features, I am often too quick to think stripped and revarnished so what causes this?

 

Probably either bad touch up that's turned black or poor antiquing. 

[Televet]

Why so hostile? We all know who Alex is. He posted his violin because @BassClef asked him to in the thread you are referencing.

3 hours ago, Gtone said:

Also,with respect,why the new membership for this post?

Was there a problem with posting using your other name?

See here: the MORIZOT PERE thread? there was a link????

 

[Gtone]

7 minutes ago, Televet said:

Why so hostile? We all know who Alex is. He posted his violin because @BassClef asked him to in the thread you are referencing.

No hostility Televet.

That's is why I said with respect.

The other post I referenced is Alexander but now with a new membership avatar,I wondered why.

I have seen a lot of posts(as a guest) prior to being a member,where there are

claims of authenticity of bows and violins.

Which all deserve or need a serious look,which they usually get.And well they should.

I imagine a lot of people use this site to reference potential purchases.

A Luigi Azzola is not a cheap violin.

Sorry if you know and vouch for Alexander, I meant no disrespect. Pax

Is it really hostile though?

I think that there are questions around the authenticity of this violin but like always I defer to the

experienced experts on the board.

I'm very glad ,like Bassclef said, that he likes both his bow and violin.

 

 

 

 

[Aurella]

There are some pictures of Azzola violins on Tarisio.

Among other things the f holes and scrolls are quite different to those of the OP.

[martin swan]

1 hour ago, Aurella said:

There are some pictures of Azzola violins on Tarisio.

Among other things the f holes and scrolls are quite different to those of the OP.

I'm afraid I can't see this as Azzola either unless it's some sort of self-taught pre-Fagnola effort. 

I would recommend availing yourself of Dmintry Gindin's online identification service ... 

[Jeffrey Holmes]

8 hours ago, Aurella said:

There are some pictures of Azzola violins on Tarisio.

Among other things the f holes and scrolls are quite different to those of the OP.

 

6 hours ago, martin swan said:

I'm afraid I can't see this as Azzola either unless it's some sort of self-taught pre-Fagnola effort. 

I would recommend availing yourself of Dmintry Gindin's online identification service ... 

I'm always relieved when someone else says it... I was holding back. 

Yes, Dmitry or Eric Blot are good recommendations for further query.

[BassClef]

OP, how are you feeling having read that both your bow and violin are not what you thought, according to MN Experts? MN's experts regularly dish out sobering information and I am sorry you are reading this and that I may have caused you heartache by asking you to post images.

[chiaroscuro_violins]

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[jacobsaunders]

13 minutes ago, chiaroscuro_violins said:

@BassClef

Perhaps you could refrain from pressuring people into posting photos when it isn't relevant to the topic at hand.  

No, he enjoys stirring

[Wood Butcher]

Does this violin have upper corner blocks?
Might be hard to tell unless you have a small mirror.

[Jeffrey Holmes]

1 hour ago, BassClef said:

OP, how are you feeling having read that both your bow and violin are not what you thought, according to MN Experts? MN's experts regularly dish out sobering information and I am sorry you are reading this and that I may have caused you heartache by asking you to post images.

To be fair, I don't feel I'd be qualified to reliably identify a pre-Fagnola Azzola.  I think few would be (the names above are the only ones I can think of). Instruments by this maker with original labels are relatively rare to begin with... and we can't see the interior work. The examples on the Tarisio site are 1930 onward... The only reliable photo of a fiddle made before that is one from the early '20s in Blot's book on Piedmont makers (a Guad model as I recall)... and I think it's just a shot of the front.

[martin swan]

2 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

To be fair, I don't feel I'd be qualified to reliably identify a pre-Fagnola Azzola.  I think few would be (the names above are the only ones I can think of). Instruments by this maker with original labels are relatively rare to begin with... and we can't see the interior work. The examples on the Tarisio site are 1930 onward... The only reliable photo of a fiddle made before that is one from the early '20s in Blot's book on Piedmont makers (a Guad model as I recall)... and I think it's just a shot of the front.

I would echo Jeffrey's statement.

I don't think there's any need to ramp up the tension.

The consensus seems to be ... show it to Dmitry or Eric as there is significant room for doubt.

I would be surprised if the OP has been taken for a fool with regard to this violin. But if he has, it's better to know.