Albert Nürnberger Violin Bow

[NickofTurl]

Does anyone know around the time when this bow was made? I don’t know much information on it.

[Brad Dorsey]

Probably before World War 2.

[jacobsaunders]

The more pertinant question would be if it is a Nürnberger or not

[Brad Dorsey]

Do you see anything that suggests that it's not?

[jacobsaunders]

10 minutes ago, Brad Dorsey said:

Do you see anything that suggests that it's not?

To start with, I would expect a Nürnberger liner to be screwed to the frog, rather than pinned

[rudall]

On 9/3/2021 at 2:59 AM, Brad Dorsey said:

Probably before World War 2.

If you are referring to the ‘Germany’ stamp, I wonder how reliable a measure that is. I have a bow stamped in the same way that was made in the 1970s.

[Brad Dorsey]

I wonder how reliable it is, too.

How do you know yours was made in the 1970s?

[Richf]

For a 1970s bow, the stamp could be "W. Germany," with the W hidden under the frog.  ???  But didn't the bows of that period from Berlin originate in the Soviet sector of the city?  In that case, I would have thought the stamp would acknowledge that.

Also, going back to the pins vs. screws question, my understanding is that both were used (although not on the same bow).  Here is a photo from the VDG book on the Nurnberger family.

[PhilipKT]

8 minutes ago, Richf said:

For a 1970s bow, the stamp could be "W. Germany," with the W hidden under the frog.  ???  But didn't the bows of that period from Berlin originate in the Soviet sector of the city?  In that case, I would have thought the stamp would acknowledge that.

Also, going back to the pins vs. screws question, my understanding is that both were used (although not on the same bow).  Here is a photo from the VDG book on the Nurnberger family.

Gotta get that book. Who is VDG?

Thank you for sharing, look at the variety there! Can’t tell a thing.

Edited September 4, 2021 by PhilipKT
Doubling

[Richf]

Verband Deutscher Geigenmacher and Bogenmacher -- VDG

[rudall]

3 hours ago, Brad Dorsey said:

I wonder how reliable it is, too.

How do you know yours was made in the 1970s?

I knew you would ask that!

Because I say so!

And even if it wasn't made in the 1970s (which it was) it sure as hell wasn’t made pre-war. 

[rudall]

  

1 hour ago, Richf said:

For a 1970s bow, the stamp could be "W. Germany," with the W hidden under the frog.  ???  

I'm hardly that stupid.

[jacobsaunders]

1 hour ago, Richf said:

 

Also, going back to the pins vs. screws question, my understanding is that both were used (although not on the same bow).  Here is a photo from the VDG book on the Nurnberger family.

Thanks, I forgot to check there

[Blank face]

To tell something more we would need straight flush photos of the head (both sides) and a better focussed of the stamp. By this photos the frog looks somehow Nürnberger alike, but there were many this way.

[NickofTurl]

29 minutes ago, Blank face said:

To tell something more we would need straight flush photos of the head (both sides) and a better focussed of the stamp. By this photos the frog looks somehow Nürnberger alike, but there were many this way.

I’ll take some better pictures when I get home tonight.

[PhilipKT]

2 hours ago, Richf said:

Verband Deutscher Geigenmacher and Bogenmacher -- VDG

Who wrote it?

[J-G]

This book?

https://holfter.com/main_bigware_34.php?items_id=305

[Richf]

Yep, that's it.

[NickofTurl]

12 hours ago, Blank face said:

To tell something more we would need straight flush photos of the head (both sides) and a better focussed of the stamp. By this photos the frog looks somehow Nürnberger alike, but there were many this way.

 

[Blank face]

Thanks for the photos! It looks right to me for a prewar Nürnberger.

[PhilipKT]

44 minutes ago, Blank face said:

Thanks for the photos! It looks right to me for a prewar Nürnberger.

 Can you tell us what you see? I see a double collar on the pinned three-piece button, The heel plate is pinned, at least in one place, but I can’t tell whether it is a one or two piece plate. I don’t know what else to see?

[Blank face]

56 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

 Can you tell us what you see? I see a double collar on the pinned three-piece button, The heel plate is pinned, at least in one place, but I can’t tell whether it is a one or two piece plate. I don’t know what else to see?

I believe to see that the model of head and frog and the workmanship, font of the brand are in accordance with what I would expect to see from such a bow. Otherwise I would say "Du siehst den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht".

[PhilipKT]

2 hours ago, Blank face said:

I believe to see that the model of head and frog and the workmanship, font of the brand are in accordance with what I would expect to see from such a bow. Otherwise I would say "Du siehst den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht".

Das ist ziemlich klar. Ich werde noch versuchen meine Augen zu lehren.Wie immer danke ich Ihnen für Ihre Hilfe.

[NickofTurl]

4 hours ago, Blank face said:

Thanks for the photos! It looks right to me for a prewar Nürnberger.

Thanks for your input! That’s what I was told by someone else too. Perhaps 1920-1930?

 

It is definitely my favorite bow. It will be passed down the family tree one day. 
 

What would you value this at right now in USD?

[GeorgeH]

7 minutes ago, NickofTurl said:

What would you value this at right now in USD?

Everybody on this site is going to have different ideas of value because of many factors. 

You should have this bow evaluated and appraised for insurance purposes by a qualified appraiser in person. And then get it insured.