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Dear Experts,

here are a few pics from a violin for sale.

I will not buy it but i am still interested in your opinion about this seemingly old instrument.

The scroll seems long and wide to me with respect to the current standards.

 

 

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Definitely a Saxon scroll, but something about the corpus just doesn't sit right with me.  This is a wild speculation, but it looks like an amateur-ish corpus with an imported scroll.  BoB construction is not uncommon in amateur American fiddles that I've seen.  I'm fine to be proven wrong, but those just don't look like Markneukirchen corners, purfling, and contours to me.  

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5 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said:

I was speaking of historical American instruments, your work is quite impressive, doesn't look amateur

Thanks, that really means a lot.  :)

I understand the OP is not even in the US.  I only mentioned American fiddles because it's all I have any experience with.  But I don't think that means the OP violin corpus has to have been factory made. 

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The overriding characteristic of historical amateur American violins are builders with no formal training just sort of winging it. In Europe there was a strong tradition of serious apprenticeships and violin making schools that until recently, didn't really have an American equivalent. Even the American violin factories were incredibly bad, like Gibson and Jackson Guldan

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1 minute ago, chiaroscuro_violins said:

Thanks, that really means a lot.  :)

I understand the OP is not even in the US.  I only mentioned American fiddles because it's all I have any experience with.  But I don't think that means the OP violin corpus has to have been factory made. 

in that time period Markneukirchen didn't have factories, it was a cottage industry, multiple workers were involved in making violins, 12 at a time, usually in their own houses, not a bosses workshop. then they sold the finished product to a dealer who would put his companies name on the label and do the marketing, often to the USA.

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You know what I meant by factory.  It was a hurried reply.  

Let me clarify.  To me, this doesn't look like a standard dutzendarbeit.  The corners are too skinny, the purfling is too dark and the joins not clean enough, and the edgework is not fluted into the corners like it would be by anyone professional. Because I noticed these anomalies, I suggested it may be an amateur corpus with a Saxon neck.  I should've never mentioned America.  I don't think it's far-fetched to imagine a European amateur maker building this violin using BoB method.  Am I wrong?  Probably.  But I wasn't saying it's an American instrument.  

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