Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, matesic said: A couple of hours ago I viewed a catalog of 140-odd items but now it's gone. I assume they're still working on it. Really for the London auction? Are you sure that wasn't Berlin you were looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Kev Chanot said: Only 28 lots - What's going on ! ? Been like that ever since Brexit. They have been putting way more lots into Berlin now. I think London is almost just a placeholder auction to show that they are still doing business here. Obviously they still get a lot of high level lots still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Shelbow said: Been like that ever since Brexit. They have been putting way more lots into Berlin now. I think London is almost just a placeholder auction to show that they are still doing business here. Obviously they still get a lot of high level lots still. Yes, and unless you have a high end instrument you'd be lucky to even get a decent appraisal ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, Kev Chanot said: Yes, and unless you have a high end instrument you'd be lucky to even get a decent appraisal ! Yes and they just want you to ship anything you have to the US anyway without any guarantee. Luckily there are multiple other options if you want to sell in the UK. I feel sorry for people in the US though as they don't have many other options at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matesic Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Shelbow said: Really for the London auction? Are you sure that wasn't Berlin you were looking at? Yes you're right but the 28 lots are described as a "catalog preview" of the London sale, whatever that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, matesic said: Yes you're right but the 28 lots are described as a "catalog preview" of the London sale, whatever that means. I think by preview they mean that you can't bid yet. Some people rush in to bid because they can get that extra 2% off the buyers premium by being the first to bid and then winning. I would be surprised if they add extra lots to this sale, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Shelbow said: I feel sorry for people in the US though as they don't have many other options at the moment. On the other hand the GBP is so weak that the average American can now afford to buy an English country estate ... with corgis! I expect there will be a lot of US dealers at the London sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, martin swan said: On the other hand the GBP is so weak that the average American can now afford to buy an English country estate ... with corgis! I expect there will be a lot of US dealers at the London sales. Are Corgis the new currency ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Kev Chanot said: Are Corgis the new currency ??? Yes - 5 corgis to the $ ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, martin swan said: On the other hand the GBP is so weak that the average American can now afford to buy an English country estate ... with corgis! I expect there will be a lot of US dealers at the London sales. Very fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 I'm not sure this T2 behaviour is so unusual. If a dealer or violin shop owner went to the viewing, it would be quite reasonable to place bids on multiple items at a price where the items would be worth having. Then you can go fishing or sit by your logburner reading "The Strad", and at the end of the auction you find out what you have bought, if anything. Most professional buyers don't get caught up in auction excitement. If they get something for the right price that's fine, if it goes too high then they wouldn't want it at that price so what's the problem ... I used to love the thrill of live auctions, reading the room, strategising, psyching out the other bidder, forcing the auctioneer's hand down, but internet auctions hand the balance of power to the auction house, and they just last SO LONG ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, martin swan said: I'm not sure this T2 behaviour is so unusual. If a dealer or violin shop owner went to the viewing, it would be quite reasonable to place bids on multiple items at a price where the items would be worth having. Then you can go fishing or sit by your logburner reading "The Strad", and at the end of the auction you find out what you have bought, if anything. Most professional buyers don't get caught up in auction excitement. If they get something for the right price that's fine, if it goes too high then they wouldn't want it at that price so what's the problem ... I used to love the thrill of live auctions, reading the room, strategising, psyching out the other bidder, forcing the auctioneer's hand down, but internet auctions hand the balance of power to the auction house, and they just last SO LONG ... I understand what you're saying and I understand the logic in doing this, but some people seem to take it to the extreme and it seems unnecessary. Yes of course it's fine if there is a genuine intention to buy something, but I would question if someone was genuinely interested in buying 90 violins in one auction. To me this just seems like odd behaviour and possible price bumping. Just my thoughts of course..... I don't have any experience with in person bidding, but I can understand that this would have been / is exciting for some. I really like online auctions (obviously), but I find bidding in them quite stressful and irritating. I do sometimes buy things at auction, but I much prefer to buy things from people for a set price which both parties are happy with. For that reason I tend to focus more on private based purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matesic Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 Moved to The Pegbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrypeacham Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 matesic, please start a different thread, this is for upcoming auction listings, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matesic Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, henrypeacham said: matesic, please start a different thread, this is for upcoming auction listings, thanks. OK, have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 There was supposed to be an Apollium auction in October, but it seems to have disappeared from their website. I assume it's been cancelled so I have removed it from the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, Shelbow said: There was supposed to be an Apollium auction in October, but it seems to have disappeared from their website. I assume it's been cancelled so I have removed it from the list. Maybe it is because of a WINDFALL tax !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 19 hours ago, martin swan said: Yes - 5 corgis to the $ ... That seems a fair exchange rate as I'm not a great fan of corgis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 First Irish auction I found with a a fair amount of instruments. (About 57) (IRELAND) Sheppard's - October 27th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://www.sheppards.ie/search/MUSICAL-INSTRUMENTS/1 - https://www.sheppards.ie/search/MUSICIAL-INSTRUMENTS/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogic Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Shelbow said: First Irish auction I found with a a fair amount of instruments. (About 57) (IRELAND) Sheppard's - October 27th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://www.sheppards.ie/search/MUSICAL-INSTRUMENTS/1 - https://www.sheppards.ie/search/MUSICIAL-INSTRUMENTS/1 Thank you Shelbow. I wonder how good these guys are. They have posted a violin as an Italian instrument and when I read the description the label says' Nicolas Bertholini' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, Yogic said: Thank you Shelbow. I wonder how good these guys are. They have posted a violin as an Italian instrument and when I read the description the label says' Nicolas Bertholini' Yes I mentioned this it my video I did a few hours ago . They also mislabelled some of the lots and switched some around. Interesting auction though. Some high level contemporary guitars in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogic Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Shelbow said: Yes I mentioned this it my video I did a few hours ago . They also mislabelled some of the lots and switched some around. Interesting auction though. Some high level contemporary guitars in it. Can you please share the link to the video ? Appreciate you doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Yogic said: Can you please share the link to the video ? Appreciate you doing this It's here - but don't expect too much, I'm just working my way through auctions talking rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 19 hours ago, Shelbow said: Yes I mentioned this it my video I did a few hours ago . They also mislabelled some of the lots and switched some around. Interesting auction though. Some high level contemporary guitars in it. For which public do you make your auction “Videos”? Do you ever call anything anything else that “interesting” or “nice choice of wood” etc.? Not much sex & drugs & rock & roll is there, or should I have listened to the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said: For which public do you make your auction “Videos”? Do you ever call anything anything else that “interesting” or “nice choice of wood” etc.? Not much sex & drugs & rock & roll is there, or should I have listened to the end? I just make them for myself really and upload them. Sometimes I might say more, it depends really. Interesting and nice wood is common though Maybe on the more specialist auctions I might say more. I think you have to be pretty bored to sit through them anyway. More like background ramblings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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