Yogic Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 15 hours ago, Shelbow said: Amati now up https://app.amati.com/en/auction/1094-four-decades-of-instrument-collecting-part-1 Shelbow- It would be nice if you can also add a three line commentary on the auction. This is supposedly a 4 decade long collection and contains every big violin makers name and is presented as labelled with a 10 pound estimate. Was the collector duped for 4 decades or is this some sort of mystery where there is a likelihood that something here might be authentic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Yogic said: Was the collector duped for 4 decades or is this some sort of mystery where there is a likelihood that something here might be authentic ? Part 1 looks more like it came from a hoarder than a collector. There does not seem to be any focus nor curation to this "collection." 14 minutes ago, Yogic said: is presented as labelled with a 10 pound estimate. Not all. A few items are listed as authentic, but most are not. Some have higher estimates than £10 - 20. It will be interesting to see if there are any interesting bidding wars on any of the individual items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogic Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Part 1 looks more like it came from a hoarder than a collector. There does not seem to be any focus nor curation to this "collection." Not all. A few items are listed as authentic, but most are not. Some have higher estimates than £10 - 20. It will be interesting to see if there are any interesting bidding wars on any of the individual items. Thanks George. Not being in the UK does not allow me the convenience to check them in person. For the instruments that have a higher estimate of 1000+ some are still listed as labelled example Lot 124. So in this case for Lot 124, does the auctioneer believe it may be authentic but not sure and does not want the buyer to end up getting a real deal cheaply ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 hours ago, GeorgeH said: Not all. A few items are listed as authentic, but most are not. Some have higher estimates than £10 - 20. Just because something is listed with an estimate of above 10 quid, hardly means that it is listed as “authentic” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Yogic said: Was the collector duped for 4 decades or is this some sort of mystery where there is a likelihood that something here might be authentic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Just because something is listed with an estimate of above 10 quid, hardly means that it is listed as “authentic” Most items are listed "labeled" or "branded," but a few are listed as "by." The ones listed as "by" are presumably offered as authentic works by Amati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Yogic said: Shelbow- It would be nice if you can also add a three line commentary on the auction. This is supposedly a 4 decade long collection and contains every big violin makers name and is presented as labelled with a 10 pound estimate. Was the collector duped for 4 decades or is this some sort of mystery where there is a likelihood that something here might be authentic ? I would agree with George that this is a collector in the loosest sense of the word (much like myself), who probably just picked stuff up here and there if the price was good. Ultimately if you pick up enough things over a long period of time some might be half decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Yogic said: Thanks George. Not being in the UK does not allow me the convenience to check them in person. For the instruments that have a higher estimate of 1000+ some are still listed as labelled example Lot 124. So in this case for Lot 124, does the auctioneer believe it may be authentic but not sure and does not want the buyer to end up getting a real deal cheaply ? In some cases if an auctioneer is unsure about an attribution they will be deliberately cautious in regards to what they title the lot and also the estimate they provide. I feel this is the sensible and honest thing to do. Amati are quite neutral in this regard and they let the potential buyer work it out for themselves. Some other auction houses are quite keen to present Mutton as Lamb. It doesn't necessarily mean the low estimate items are worthless, more that it's a highly speculative lot and you need to do your research. In regards to lot 124, the auctioneer is simply stating it is a violin labelled Francesco Mantegazza, nothing more than that. The higher estimate could be a request from the consignee or a belief of the auctioneer that regardless of attribution this is a higher quality of instrument and therefore deserving of a higher estimate. If people want to believe it is a Mantegazza based on a label, then that is up to them. The sensible thing would be to do some research, look at the construction / style etc etc all the usual bits and make your own decision based on that. @Yogic I plan to view this auction in person for my YT channel. If you want videos of any of the instruments just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, GeorgeH said: Most items are listed "labeled" or "branded," but a few are listed as "by." The ones listed as "by" are presumably offered as authentic works by Amati. Presumably they have a glossary somewhere on their web site, exactly what “by” is supposed to mean, and to what extent they accept liability for “by”, or to what extent a purchase is final. James might like to point this part of his web site out. I for one would have sympathy with him should he wish to establish a certain limit to liability, since there are enough instruments which one can always argue about, and probability and certainty are two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 Sunrise auction is up https://www.sunrise-auction.com/auction_list.php?aid=1420428088 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 Tarisio T2 now up (USA) Tarisio T2 - October 20th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://t2-auctions.com/auctions/?csid=2199764992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 Anderson Garland now up (UK) Anderson Garland - October 12th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://www.andersonandgarland.com/auction/details/mus121022-the-music-auction/?au=562 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted September 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 Still quite annoyed that Skinners no longer do musical instrument auctions since the Bonhams takeover. They had some good ones. Someone at Bonhams must just really hate musical instruments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Adam Partridge now up (UK) Adam Partridge - October 13th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://live.adampartridge.co.uk/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/267 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 Ingles and Hayday catalogue is up: (UK) Ingles & Hayday - November 1st (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://ingleshayday.com/auction/1020-3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPractice Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Shelbow said: Ingles and Hayday catalogue is up: ( link ) Thank you. Would have missed this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, GoPractice said: Thank you. Would have missed this one. I just checked it randomly, I wasn't expecting it to be up so early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 Tarisio Berlin now up. (GERMANY) Tarisio - October 11th - 24th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://tarisio.com/auctions/auction/?csid=2199666688&showall=1&pg=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 A couple of Vichy auctions up. (FRANCE) Vichy - November 4th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://www.interencheres.com/meubles-objets-art/vente-dinstruments-a-vent-a-cordes-pincees-et-de-musique-populaire-314124/ (FRANCE) Vichy - November 5th (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://www.interencheres.com/meubles-objets-art/vente-dinstruments-a-vent-a-cordes-pincees-et-de-musique-populaire-314126/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 I've given the list a bit of an update. If there is anything missing let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnalp Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Something up at Dorotheum with string instruments and bows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, arnalp said: Something up at Dorotheum with string instruments and bows Brilliant thanks for letting me know. I checked the other day and couldn't see this. I shall add it to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 London Tarisio now up - another tiny auction (UK) Tarisio - October 18th - 31st (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://tarisio.com/auctions/auction/?csid=2199650304&showall=1&pg=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Shelbow said: London Tarisio now up - another tiny auction (UK) Tarisio - October 18th - 31st (2022) - Musical Instruments - https://tarisio.com/auctions/auction/?csid=2199650304&showall=1&pg=0 Only 28 lots - What's going on ! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matesic Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 A couple of hours ago I viewed a catalog of 140-odd items but now it's gone. I assume they're still working on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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