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"Mr. Taggart I'm so sorry, but while my son was in the restroom my daughter broke your bow."
"Oh...how bad?"
"Ummm...pretty bad."

Yeah I guess this is pretty bad.
 

But it’s ok. This is a stick I got at T2 a couple years ago and fitted a frog. It was a quite nice stick and played well and I use(d) it as a loaner.
The family is quite chagrined but the story is sweet.

The little sister is four and desperately wants to play cello too, so when the boy put down the equipment for a minute, she was all over the cello, trying to play it.

The results are a bit unpleasant but one cannot fault the desire!

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Oh my! :huh:

She tackled your cello? Or your bow broke while she tackled her brother's cello? Or you loaned this bow to the brother?

So...do they pay for new bow (since repairs are out of the question)?

So...what would you do if this was a 10K bow?

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9 minutes ago, Rue said:

Oh my! :huh:

She tacked your cello? Or your bow broke while she tackled her brother's cello? Or you loaned this bow to the brother?

So...do they pay for new bow (since repairs are out of the question)?

So...what would you do if this was a 10K bow?

If this were( Note proper grammar… Cough cough) A 10 K bow, I would be less likely to loan it out in the first place, which I did in this instance. The damage happened at their house. But if they really did do something like this to one of my nice bows, my smile would be quite a bit smaller, and the compensation check would be quite a bit bigger.

The daughters eagerness to play would be no less charming, however.

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1 hour ago, PhilipKT said:

"Mr. Taggart I'm so sorry, but while my son was in the restroom my daughter broke your bow."
"Oh...how bad?"
"Ummm...pretty bad."

Yeah I guess this is pretty bad.
 

But it’s ok. This is a stick I got at T2 a couple years ago and fitted a frog. It was a quite nice stick and played well and I use(d) it as a loaner.
The family is quite chagrined but the story is sweet.

The little sister is four and desperately wants to play cello too, so when the boy put down the equipment for a minute, she was all over the cello, trying to play it.

The results are a bit unpleasant but one cannot fault the desire!

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All the breaks look clean, with lots of surface area.  You could try super-glue on it, and keep it as a loaner if it turns out playable.  :)

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5 minutes ago, Violadamore said:

All the breaks look clean, with lots of surface area.  You could try super-glue on it, and keep it as a loaner if it turns out playable.  :)

Unfortunately all of the breakpoints are at structurally significant parts of the bow.

I’m going to save the frog and the button, which are beautiful, and when I get some extra shekels, I will have another stick made for it, and probably start the process all over again

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17 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

Unfortunately all of the breakpoints are at structurally significant parts of the bow.

I’m going to save the frog and the button, which are beautiful, and when I get some extra shekels, I will have another stick made for it, and probably start the process all over again

Suit yourself.  I still occasionally use a cheap Howard Core octagonal Pernambuco that's been Dennis the Menace'd, and repaired, twice.   I keep it as a loaner/backup because it still works just fine.  IMHO, the major place you can't fix is if it breaks where the shaft and head meet. :)

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7 minutes ago, Violadamore said:

Suit yourself.  I still occasionally use a cheap Howard Core octagonal Pernambuco that's been Dennis the Menace'd, and repaired, twice.   I keep it as a loaner/backup because it still works just fine.  :)

One of my very dearest former students has a lovely Albert Nürnberger Cello Bell that she was able to buy very cheaply because the head of been broken, and Jay had put in a spline.

The bow still played great, but wasn’t worth very much because of the repair, so she and her dad were happy to buy it.

Since then, that bow has been through Constant calamity. It has been broken violently three more times, and each time Jay put in another spline. From the top, the head of the bow looks almost like plywood because you can see all the splines next to each other, Ha ha ha. The bow still plays great.

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Oh no!  Yeah that's a titch bad!  I'm sorry.  I did the same once.  An eBay fiddle showed up with a lovely 19th c. French silver mounted bow in perfect condition, valued around $2K only because it was a bit light as I recall.  I had it re-haired and played it a bit, but not often (I don't actually "play" lol) One night our neighbors had a party with some musicians and we all sat on the porch playing.  One of them was a violinist who played in a band at the time.  This was back when Down from the Mountain was popular and all sorts of Mountain music inspired alternative bands were cropping up everywhere.  She complained about her bow which was sad to say a tomato stick, so I brought mine out and she played it.  It was a perfect fit.  I told her she could borrow it because I wasn't really using it as much as it deserved.  She took it to a gig, somebody moved it to the floor while they were setting up (!!??) and another band member stepped on it and snapped the head clean off.  She was literally sobbing when she brought it back to me with flowers and a bottle of champagne.  I said, eh, it's ok it was "free" to me anyway.  Ah well! Lesson learned. 

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I make no claim to be any kind of expert but I agree with Violadamore, if the bow is to be thrown away it seems worth a try super gluing it to keep it going.  I think the superglue needs to be 'fresh' or in date as old glue can be weak - you could test it by gluing some scraps together? In 2002 or 3, I received an inexpensive bow through the post and the head had snapped off in transit so rather than throw it away I used super glue to fix it and it has remained in place and useable since then. I may be wrong but if something is "too cheap to repair but too good to throw away" then a self repair seems to make sense especially for someone like me playing for fun to keep as a spare.

Take care though aligning things when gluing. A few years ago I was visiting my brother, who lives at the opposite end of the country, and our evening of bad but enjoyable violin playing was spoiled a little when I heard a sharp crack as he sat on his inexpensive, but favourite, bow. The next day I bought some superglue and was a little careless with alignment when I glued the bow. It is still together and useable but has a bit of an extra bend off to the side now. I learned from this that a very small misalignment at the joining surfaces can show up as a quite noticeble bend at the tip. I think he is still using the bow though so the joint has lasted for about four years.

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Slightly OT...and ignoring  "never a borrower nor lender be" for the moment.

When lending stuff...what is the etiquette regarding damage? 

If you ask for the loan of equipment that's different than being offered the loan of equipment, so does the nature of recompense change?

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"right, we'll have to sell the lot off for scientific experiments" :lol: that oughta cover the cost, ....and , wow , that kid sure has a latent for destruction , if that cello playing thing doesn't work out for her, there's always MMA or construction demo....

bummer dude, but personally I won't let kids anywhere near instruments until they've been trained properly like the little monkeys that they are, unfortunately this event will change the way you deal with children and or parents with children around your stuff.

I was personally always a very well behaved 5 yr old , yet, a friend I had not seen in a long time dropped by one day and brought her child with her, a 5 yr old boy, thinking of myself , surely this child is well behaved and respectful....nope , little tyrant just about threw a heavy plastic dinosaur right into a cello front, and so he was quickly escorted out of the area where the instruments were and I quickly learned to not have young kids around expensive stuff, even if the parents are right there. I extend the same policy to anyone who I know may have been drinking, 

I founded the "VMADIH," that's the "violin makers against drunk instrument handlers"  group , if we can save just one instrument, we've done our job :)

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11 minutes ago, hendrik said:

BTW, completely OT: is that a porcupine in your little icon? Lovely animals. Ask Reece ( in my icon).

It is. They are adorable - as long as you physically distance. :wub:

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19 hours ago, Violadamore said:

All the breaks look clean, with lots of surface area.  You could try super-glue on it, and keep it as a loaner if it turns out playable.  :)

I'm not seeing the middle break as having enough gluing-surface area to survive much beyond the initial tightening of the hair. And the side which is under tension has the least gluing area, and is end-grain. If it were the side which is under compression, instead, it might last for a little while.

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13 minutes ago, David Burgess said:

I'm not seeing the middle break as having enough gluing-surface area to survive much beyond the initial tightening of the hair.

I'd be counting on the split with the grain, underneath, along with carefully interleaving the matching splinters and voids on the vertical break, to hold it in place when glued.  You're right it's a gamble, but against a total loss, what's to lose?  I feel that it would be a nice learning experience for Philip..  :)

I'd do all the breaks separately, and give each one two days to outgas and set hard.  I'd give the chancy break the longest setting time, by doing it first, meaning that, with time for reinserting the hair carefully, it would have about a week to set before trying it. 

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11 minutes ago, jezzupe said:

I've got the cert!

"I Jacob Saunders here by declare that this bow has reached a complete and utter state of Floccinaucinihilipilification"

 

 

:lol: My daughter's favorite word. She even has it on a mug!

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