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Yup.  [Comment deleted, corrected below.]

But FWIW, note that the label says Monzino & Sons (see:  https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/212156-details-on-a-monzino-figli/) who put their shop labels in Markies as well as in Antoniazzis (and in everything in between). It also says "school of....Antoniazzi", not "made by".  The label could be perfectly original, and the violin still be "the usual rubbish".  :lol:

The propensity of certain people in the Italian violin business to fake themselves (or their parents, colleagues, casual passersby, etc.) still complicates appraisals right to the present day.  :)

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On 4/2/2021 at 10:46 AM, Televet said:

Nice valuation tho' :ph34r:

 

If you mean the bidding, it was until a "0" bidder got in there with over 8 days to go and kicked it up to over $300.

OTOH, if you mean the included insurance valuation, there's all manner of reasons why a dealer might be generous on those.  I'll note that it's dated to the year before Greenberg's share in Guarneri was bought out by Reiley, and Greenberg left to pursue his conducting career.  Without contacting Phil Greenberg (conducting in Kiev last time I looked), I'm not commenting on the valuation document.  :)

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8 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Yup.  Notice how the very tip of the scroll back flutes is never shown in any of the photos? Wanna bet there isn't a Saxon delta there?  ^_^

But FWIW, note that the label says Monzino & Sons (see:  https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/212156-details-on-a-monzino-figli/) who put their shop labels in Markies as well as in Antoniazzis (and in everything in between). It also says "school of....Antoniazzi", not "made by".  The label could be perfectly original, and the violin still be "the usual rubbish".  :lol:

The propensity of certain people in the Italian violin business to fake themselves (or their parents, colleagues, casual passersby, etc.) still complicates appraisals right to the present day.  :)

Wooo... That is quite messed up. Now I really learned something new! Glad that April Fools' is over. Thanks for sharing Violadamore:lol:!

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15 hours ago, W.C. said:

Wooo... That is quite messed up. Now I really learned something new! Glad that April Fools' is over. Thanks for sharing Violadamore:lol:!

One correction, I went back and looked again, and found a single pic of the whole back where the rear back flutes can be seen.  There is no Saxon delta.  Here's an enhanced crop.  :)

MonfinoScrool01.thumb.jpg.a32aa957bed9d09e7da3d523f2a366e3.jpg

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I'm inclining toward this being a trade fiddle sold through Monzino at some point, possibly Mirecourt rather than Markie, but still "the usual", and much later than the label date.  The "Tecchler copy" claim penned in on the label is beyond ridiculous.  I'm also puzzled by the seller's statement, "Country/Region of Manufacture:  Denmark" in the description.  Cut-and-paste error?  :)

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On 4/3/2021 at 8:27 AM, Violadamore said:

I'm inclining toward this being a trade fiddle sold through Monzino at some point, possibly Mirecourt rather than Markie, but still "the usual", and much later than the label date.  The "Tecchler copy" claim penned in on the label is beyond ridiculous.  I'm also puzzled by the seller's statement, "Country/Region of Manufacture:  Denmark" in the description.  Cut-and-paste error?  :)

That does make things more interesting. The body for sure looks like a Markie more than anything else to me though. I am wondering if this could be one of those "pretending to be French" violins that the maker happened to make the scrolls without the delta?

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6 hours ago, W.C. said:

That does make things more interesting. The body for sure looks like a Markie more than anything else to me though. I am wondering if this could be one of those "pretending to be French" violins that the maker happened to make the scrolls without the delta?

IMHO, the black outlining is another "French" touch that could be added anywhere.  The major impression that I get is of a "tarted-up trade fiddle" that (if the document is real) may have fooled an inexperienced dealer at some point.  It's also telling that, going by other offerings and feedback, the current seller's stock-in-trade seems to be mostly trade violins.  Caveat emptor as usual.  The video suggests that it isn't an obviously terrible fiddle to play.  If the bids stay in student violin territory, it might be a decent buy for someone, but IMHO, it's neither an Italian masterpiece, nor anything to "go to the mat" for in bidding.  :)

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15 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

I often wonder, why you always write “the usual rubbish” in quotation marks, since that is evidently what you specialise in

Because you invented the term, and I'm quoting you.  And yes, I'm studying trade/student violins as a separate specialty.  Given that it's the most common type of violin for the average buyer to come in contact with, it seems to me that someone needed to.  :)

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11 hours ago, Violadamore said:

IMHO, the black outlining is another "French" touch that could be added anywhere.  The major impression that I get is of a "tarted-up trade fiddle" that (if the document is real) may have fooled an inexperienced dealer at some point.  It's also telling that, going by other offerings and feedback, the current seller's stock-in-trade seems to be mostly trade violins.  Caveat emptor as usual.  The video suggests that it isn't an obviously terrible fiddle to play.  If the bids stay in student violin territory, it might be a decent buy for someone, but IMHO, it's neither an Italian masterpiece, nor anything to "go to the mat" for in bidding.  :)

I agree. I started learning the violin on one of these kinds (an Amati-model Markie). Many of them actually sound quite nice, at least good enough for a beginner/intermediate student. :)

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On 4/14/2021 at 4:46 PM, Three13 said:

I'm guessing it was bought by that guy who was convinced that every enlarged f hole had been chewed by mice.

I dunno.  I'm wondering if somebody here will post it.  :)

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