tetler Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Hi. What could this be? It has a repair label from 1852. Four corner blocks, and the scroll fluting goes all the way in. Sorry about the bad photos from the inside. My inspection camera isn't top notch. Let me know if I should upload more photos. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Nice back. Seems nicer than the front? Interesting pegs. Hand carved replacements at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yes nice pegs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Is the scroll beech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Its a one piece neck top block, Built on Back violin with scroll carving that looks like it may have been extended later, Presumably Saxon first half of 19th century? See what Jacob or Blank Face has to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Looks like a manipulated and possibly re-varnished Markneukirchener “usual” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flattmountain Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Mmm.. eye candy one of MN's many perks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeny Mahon Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Rue said: Interesting pegs. Hand carved replacements at some point? I came here to say this too! I think they're pretty old and possibly English? I've seen them on fiddles a few times. I'm a sucker for cool antique pegs! @Michael Darnton has this excellent information on his page: http://darntonviolins.com/old-pegs-a-friend-pulled-these-out-of-an-old/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 I have some similar pegs on an old English violin c1850 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetler Posted April 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Thanks, everybody! I never even thought about the pegs being interesting. To be honest, I'm a bit uncertain about the wood in both the neck and the back/sides. It doesn't quite look like regular maple to me, but I may be wrong. Any opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, tetler said: To be honest, I'm a bit uncertain about the wood in both the neck and the back/sides. It doesn't quite look like regular maple to me, but I may be wrong. Any opinions? It is maple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Carlson Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Are we looking at a one piece neck and upper block? Sometimes called a 'through neck'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Yes, the internal pictures show a through neck, without separate top block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Good spot. So where does that put it ? And do the pegs give a clue or are they just a red herring ? I would love to know where the f-holes with the big bottom eyes point to as I have one that is similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Delabo said: So where does that put it ? Where I "put it" last wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 When I'm seeing this pegs I'm considering that it could be also English. Some of these can be look very close to Mnk/Schb and have also a through neck. The fully fluted scroll could be another feature pointing there, if it was originally done this way. OTOH the violin was possibly stripped, possibly sanded, and such a procedure could have blurred a lot. It could be interesting to know what the repair label is telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delabo Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Where I "put it" last wednesday I was in no way questioning your expertise, I just wondered if you had missed the through neck which Bruce Carlson spotted, and might re-attribute it to something else like Salzkammergut ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Delabo said: I was in no way questioning your expertise, I just wondered if you had missed the through neck which Bruce Carlson spotted, and might re-attribute it to something else like Salzkammergut ? There are no end of mysterious things in the violin world. I don’t think the OP fiddle is one of them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Delabo said: I was in no way questioning your expertise, I just wondered if you had missed the through neck which Bruce Carlson spotted, and might re-attribute it to something else like Salzkammergut ? Actually it was me that spotted the through neck back on Wednesday, Bruce just asked if it had one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetler Posted April 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 21 hours ago, Blank face said: When I'm seeing this pegs I'm considering that it could be also English. Some of these can be look very close to Mnk/Schb and have also a through neck. The fully fluted scroll could be another feature pointing there, if it was originally done this way. OTOH the violin was possibly stripped, possibly sanded, and such a procedure could have blurred a lot. It could be interesting to know what the repair label is telling. Interesting. I don't remember exactly what the label says, but it had a name and the city Christiania. I'll post a picture when I'm back home next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Christiania is the old name for Oslo. I have a 1770s Swedish violin with similar inside construction. Without that, one of my clues to early English violins is oversize f-hole eyes, which this violin has. Some other points also look British to me, but I'd accept Sweden if that's what the label says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joris Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Christiania/Olso would be Norway (or Denmark-Norway in 1770), not Sweden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Quick check in Wikipedia: Norway would have left Denmark to become part of Sweden in 1814. The capital Chistiana reverted to Oslo in 1924. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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