Brad H Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Heinrich-E-Heberlein-Jr-Markneukirchen-1921-German-Violin-NO-RESERVE/133662614310?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Violadamore Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Looks like a folie à deux from the bid history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad H Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 This looks to be a nicer model than the $3kish retail HEH that I had....but, yes, madness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Posted February 21 Report Share Posted February 21 Shill bidding, its not even a real Heberlein, Heinrich E Heberlein was not a person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad H Posted February 21 Author Report Share Posted February 21 Just now, Strad O Various Jr. said: Shill bidding, its not even a real Heberlein, Heinrich E Heberlein was not a person. If he was a real person, he made all his fiddles in 1921 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 On 2/21/2021 at 4:29 AM, Brad H said: If he was a real person, he made all his fiddles in 1921 11 years after he died? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Heinrich E Heberlein was never alive, how could he die? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: Heinrich E Heberlein was never alive, how could he die? The seller read it on wikipedia, it must be true. Even if he was 11 years dead. From Wikipedia: Heinrich Theodore Heberlein Jr. (1843-1910) was a German violin maker from the Vogtland region that straddles modern day Germany and the Czech Republic. He was the son of Carl August Heberlein (1805-1879) and the grandson of the founder of the family dynasty Johann Gottlob Heberlein (1782-1856). The Heberlein workshop was located in Markneukirchen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, sospiri said: The seller read it on wikipedia, it must be true. Even if he was 11 years dead. From Wikipedia: Heinrich Theodore Heberlein Jr. (1843-1910) was a German violin maker from the Vogtland region that straddles modern day Germany and the Czech Republic. He was the son of Carl August Heberlein (1805-1879) and the grandson of the founder of the family dynasty Johann Gottlob Heberlein (1782-1856). The Heberlein workshop was located in Markneukirchen. Theodore doesn’t begin with an “E” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Just now, jacobsaunders said: Theodore doesn’t begin with an “E” In the US they called him Eddy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: Theodore doesn’t begin with an “E” duh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: duh! They called him Eddy not Teddy to avoid confusion with Theodore Roosevelt. I know he existed. My friend Clair told me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 What I see is a winning bid of 12,000. Actually with 2 bidders right at 12,000. Good German trade instruments are going up in value for sure, but something funny is going on here. https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/133662614310?item=133662614310&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mysticpaw Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, sospiri said: They called him Eddy not Teddy to avoid confusion with Theodore Roosevelt. I know he existed. My friend Clair told me. Would that be Mrs Voyant ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, mysticpaw said: Would that be Mrs Voyant ? You know her too? Spooky. She is helping me write an Elvis Autobiography. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Violadamore Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 50 minutes ago, deans said: What I see is a winning bid of 12,000. Actually with 2 bidders right at 12,000. Good German trade instruments are going up in value for sure, but something funny is going on here. https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/133662614310?item=133662614310&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 One bidder got deleted, but something weird is still going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Merkel Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 was the bidder that "got deleted" the highest bidder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Violadamore said: One bidder got deleted, but something weird is still going on. A cancelled bid of $33,100 and 2 bids of $12,000. The cancelled bid pushed the bids up in $1000 increments. This is the most suspicious sale I have ever seen. 1 hour ago, Bill Merkel said: was the bidder that "got deleted" the highest bidder? Or the seller? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wood Butcher Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Another ringing endorsement for buying on eBay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 The bid for $33,100 was placed early in the auction (not me). My guess is that it was an order-of-magnitude mistake by the bidder, i.e. they meant to enter $3,310. It happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: The bid for $33,100 was placed early in the auction (not me). My guess is that it was an order-of-magnitude mistake by the bidder, i.e. they meant to enter $3,310. It happens. Doesn't it look like shill bidding to you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, sospiri said: Doesn't it look like shill bidding to you? Yes, it does. But think that the initial bid of 33,100 was a mistake, and the shill bidder was following in back of that. I suspect we'll see this re-listed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Yes, it does. But think that the initial bid of 33,100 was a mistake, and the shill bidder was following in back of that. I suspect we'll see this re-listed. So was it sold or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Probably not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, GeorgeH said: I suspect we'll see this re-listed. Yes, probably with a reserve or starting bid of 12,000 now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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