look i am running Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 please see my application for detailed description of my submission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 what application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Norfleet Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 I’m having a difficult time imagining a shim failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mark Norfleet said: I’m having a difficult time imagining a shim failure. Is that because you have never used foam rubber shims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 If you had the shim fitted, yet the neck elevation is continuing to decrease, it sounds like the only solution would be a full neck reset. But no one can be certain without seeing some pictures, and the current measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Wood Butcher said: If you had the shim fitted, yet the neck elevation is continuing to decrease, it sounds like the only solution would be a full neck reset. . Or, perhaps, the top is not stiff enough to handle the increased tension and the top is rising up, not the neck falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 One may speculate until the cows come home, having not seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strad O Various Jr. Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 First guess is that the top block might be separating at the back, assuming you properly glued it to the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, duane88 said: Or, perhaps, the top is not stiff enough to handle the increased tension and the top is rising up, not the neck falling. Perhaps. It could be several things, and quite likely a combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said: Perhaps. It could be several things, and quite likely a combination. yes, and Jacob is correct, and right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 True, but this could easily spill into three pages, before we even see a picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDeF Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: One may speculate until the cows come home, having not seen it Maybe the OP is an orthopedic surgeon from NY.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 ^and his name is how he tried to get his last patient to walk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Wood Butcher said: True, but this could easily spill into three pages, before we even see a picture I haven't seen Juzek or Roth mentioned yet, so no, not 3 pages. Probably 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, duane88 said: I haven't seen Juzek or Roth mentioned yet, so no, not 3 pages. Probably 5. Failed neck shims are common on the violins made by the short lived collaboration between Juzek and Roth whilst they were on holiday together in Pennsylvania as part of their American tour. Look out for the label: Juzoth of Nazareth, PA Rumour is they were made in the C F Martin workshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shelbow said: Failed neck shims are common on the violins made by the short lived collaboration between Juzek and Roth whilst they were on holiday together in Pennsylvania as part of their American tour. Look out for the label: Juzoth of Nazareth, PA Rumour is they were made in the C F Martin workshop. 6 pages, but no mention of shims are allowed. Only whether Juzek or Roth installed them on their orig. instruments. The ones made by the old men themselves, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, duane88 said: 6 pages, but no mention of shims are allowed. Only whether Juzek or Roth installed them on their orig. instruments. The ones made by the old men themselves, that is. No shims on my Salustri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Violadamore said: No shims on my Salustri. Shims were not part of Mr Salustri's tonal encounters of the third kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, Violadamore said: No shims on my Salustri. A fine chance to fit a DIY shim, before you put it in the dustbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: A fine chance to fit a DIY shim, before you put it in the dustbin Du kannst mich....USW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, duane88 said: 6 pages............. We're off to a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 No one has asked if there is a bow with it yet........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Shelbow said: No one has asked if there is a bow with it yet........... Heyyyyy, @PhilipKT !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Violadamore said: No shims on my Salustri. That is only because it hasn't been in a decent shop in years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
look i am running Posted January 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 i don't remember checking the value of projection when i made the viola in the 80s... i had already made 2 -4/4 violins...when i made the 15 one half inches or so viola i used info from several sources both commercial and noncommercial...i don't remember whether i might have used the violin projection of 27 by mistake? but once all glued up it was definitely showing a weak angle and when i tried to find a 31 I found the bridge short with resulting poor tone...as a violinist I'm about like a 12 hdcp golfer...I had never attempted a REAL neck reset but 2 NewYork specials worked on violins i was restoring..who knows why i decided to add a tapering shim which still didn't work on my own. I am disappointed that there is no record of me in Maestronet...just wrote a book called "nice try dale"..seems appropriate to be forgotten already .i am retired MD senior citizen, amateur sculptor, and goldsmith..i tried to tell your computer that i already was a member and used to call myself Chanot, but thought it too pretentious and just used my first name Dale for any semi recent submissions.... wasn't expecting to be given a native name ..especially a milk toast one like.. "look i'm running"... sorry that "stands with fists raised" and "sitting bull" were both already used ..i finally got my mind clarified and began the true reset today...of course for some bizarre reason i had glued in the shim and finger board with some strange product that would no way soften with increase temperature..so i decided to remove the shim by sawing with my super thin saw and try to preserve the pure finger board for the next steps in the neck restoration..call me crazy but for some flash of mania i thought i could beat the system and try New York special.... I used alcohol to try to free seams not orally... to get part of upper bout to detach from upper block... but it failed and added cracks to belly. could have taken the shim and fingder board as one unit but safer this way...so now I'll be watching projection and overstand and bridge height more closely.. .i was disappointed that the computer and the moderator would't believe i'm an old member...i am a senior citizen and a better native name would be" look I've gone to sleep in my armchair" Hi viola d'amore How many alligators now? Dale Palko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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