On ebay - reputable sellers(?)

[Blank face]

1 hour ago, Rachell66 said:

I didn't have the best experience once with a stainer. It was shrill and harsh. 

A Stainer is usually not shrill and harsh.

[Rachell66]

There is one seller Melodietaube, German, those violins look nice, labels are probably fake, but what do you guys think? 

[Rachell66]

8 minutes ago, Blank face said:

A Stainer is usually not shrill and harsh.

That one was shrill and loud, and hurt my ears. Very high arched, thick lacquer but still didn't dampen it one bit. 

[Rachell66]

I think there is one-violin-international, Portugal, Lisbon. They look pretty good, he has video clips of all his violins that he's got on sale

[Wood Butcher]

I think i’d much rather go to a shop, where I could try things out first, and be sure of what I’m getting, be able to take some home on trial, have some guarantees etc.

Taking a shot in the dark on something from abroad, when there are so many places near you seems a strange way to find a violin.

[LSF]

On 1/28/2021 at 4:00 PM, Rachell66 said:

 

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[martin swan]

1 hour ago, Rachell66 said:

There is one seller Melodietaube, German, those violins look nice, labels are probably fake, but what do you guys think? 

Seriously - you are going to get badly burnt ...

 

1 hour ago, Rachell66 said:

I think there is one-violin-international, Portugal, Lisbon. They look pretty good, he has video clips of all his violins that he's got on sale

Is this the guy with the porno voice and the fake cathedral that's a poster on the wall?

[Blank face]

9 hours ago, Rachell66 said:

That one was shrill and loud, and hurt my ears. Very high arched, thick lacquer but still didn't dampen it one bit. 

You obviously didn't play a Stainer, but some cheaply massproduced instrument from the cottage industry with a randomly added brand or label. Also the other isn't a Maggini but something alike.

Drawing conclusion from some junk instruments in regards of tonal effects of archings, models etc. leads invariably to ridiculous assumptions. To tell in a public forum "I played a Stainer and it was shrill and harsh" while you played in reality something else is a kind of spreading fake news.

[Rachell66]

I haven't bought any violin there. Not planning to. I am extremely picky. 

Although I had some great experiences with ebay, my violin, as shoddy and as cheap it is. I had it professionally set up and tweaked. I love the sound and that's what counts. I also love yitamusic as a beginner student violin, next to a stentor, it is better value and I sell them to my students, they love them.

I tried up to £2000 and I haven't found the one that beats mine. Yet.. 

I'm sure if I expand my budget to 10000, I could find ... But alas.. This budget only stretches so far... 

Do you know, as with any profession. You have a massive amount of students.. The more you go professional, you see less and less.. Until it trickles to a low percentage that go all the way. 

Then you have enthusiastic people with low income. Yitamusic is a great choice. 

 

[Rachell66]

10 minutes ago, Blank face said:

You obviously didn't play a Stainer, but some cheaply massproduced instrument from the cottage industry with a randomly added brand or label. Also the other isn't a Maggini but something alike.

Drawing conclusion from some junk instruments in regards of tonal effects of archings, models etc. leads invariably to ridiculous assumptions. To tell in a public forum "I played a Stainer and it was shrill and harsh" while you played in reality something else is a kind of spreading fake news.

Oh yes, no, no no, definitely I played a mass produced, claiming to be a stainer, which was a cheap and failed imitation. 

My point was the high arch was not making it sound nice. Moving the sound post was not going to fix the problem, it was a horrible violin

[Blank face]

18 minutes ago, Rachell66 said:

My point was the high arch was not making it sound nice.

For what reason should a high arching make a horrible violin make sound nice? Or a flat?

[jacobsaunders]

9 minutes ago, Blank face said:

For what reason should a high arching make a horrible violin make sound nice? Or a flat?

Ignorant prejudice

[Rachell66]

1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

Ignorant prejudice

OK fine I get it, I know my place. 

Anyway, it was a sharp incline up the belly, going from really low to exaggerated height. I am not saying I've got the knowledge, just wrote about one experience. Not a nice one. I got the opinion from a very experienced luthier

Anyhow, my violin, my Mittenwald, or that's what I thought. Jacob, what's the verdict? Just looking at that thread, I can't say. So please describe the different components of my violin and what makes it a Mittenwald or Markneukirchen. 

https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/347871-sound-projection/&do=findComment&comment=920147

[Wood Butcher]

Almost all instruments, made in Italy during the golden age have, what might be considered by today's standards, high arches. Yet these are the most valuable and in demand violins there are, so it can be concluded the height of the arch alone is not a factor in whether something sounds nice.

Your "stainer" will have been poorly attended to in all areas, from cheap wood, poor arching concept, plates far too thick and stiff, cheap hard varnish, probably cheap fittings and poorly set up too.
This makes for a long list of reasons why it didn't sound nice.

[Rachell66]

[jacobsaunders]

14 minutes ago, Rachell66 said:

 

Anyhow, my violin, my Mittenwald, or that's what I thought. Jacob, what's the verdict? Just looking at that thread, I can't say. So please describe the different components of my violin and what makes it a Mittenwald or Markneukirchen. 

https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/347871-sound-projection/&do=findComment&comment=920147

I already sent you the link to my guide, how you can work that out for yourself (it’s pretty obvious). If you are to idle to do your homework, state prejudices about arching as if they were fact, and think that ebay is “foolproof", then some people will gradually come to the conclusion that you’re a lost cause

[Rachell66]

3 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

Almost all instruments, made in Italy during the golden age have, what might be considered by today's standards, high arches. Yet these are the most valuable and in demand violins there are, so it can be concluded the height of the arch alone is not a factor in whether something sounds nice.

Your "stainer" will have been poorly attended to in all areas, from cheap wood, poor arching concept, plates far too thick and stiff, cheap hard varnish, probably cheap fittings and poorly set up too.
This makes for a long list of reasons why it didn't sound nice.

Yes, all of the above! 

It was thick, hard, heavily varnished. Well, it went out of the door as quick as it came. 

The more I learn, the more I realise I know nothing.. The more hungry I get!! Just crazy! 

[Wood Butcher]

So maybe go to a shop, where you can try things out, and have people explain to you about the instruments?

 

[Rachell66]

It is foolproof, for me because I won't take crappy violins, I will kick up a fuss. Sorry.. That's how I feel 

Just by looking at your list, for example the scroll, there is 'delta',  a lot of words I don't understand without the picture that is a reference to your description of a certain attribute. I can't go to music school, or violin making school, as much as I would love to. That's not on the cards. 

What is obvious to you, is not obvious to me. 

 

 

[Rachell66]

22 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

So maybe go to a shop, where you can try things out, and have people explain to you about the instruments?

 

I would love that, but my luthier is a busy man.. Once the auctions open, when everything settles I am looking forward to viewing violins, museums, travel, different violin shops

[Rachell66]

32 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

 some people will gradually come to the conclusion that you’re a lost cause

... ...

I asked you three times to just tell me what the violin is.....

You know what it is...

I will do homework, get to know the violin on a deeper level. That takes time, reading and looking at pictures, violins.  I would have appreciated an answer, a short explanation from an experienced man of your caliber. I like my violin whatever it is. Thanks

 

[Rachell66]

48 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

So maybe go to a shop, where you can try things out, and have people explain to you about the instruments?

 

I do that, but I like taking a violin and showing it, hearing about it from professional. I have not found one in my budget that I liked, besides for this violin that I bought for £75 on ebay, from Germany that I gave in to be overhauled. I looked up until £2000. 

I'm not the type to go in debt to buy the violin of my dreams

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58 minutes ago, Rachell66 said:

Martin gave you already a few hints in the other thread: The lower rib made from two different pieces of wood (visible at the end pin), the scoll fluting (from the front view) stops before it reaches the very last end of the throat. These two points alone would make Mittenwald impossible. There are other features like the way the rib joints are placed in relation to the plate corners and how they were set together, also inside the form of the corner blocks (if there are any at all) and how the linings are set against or morticed into them. There are other tagged words like "cornerblockology" in this forum where you can find many photos to explain all of it.

So maybe your violin shop guy confused the two German places starting with "M"?

[Rachell66]

Eva pirazzi gold strings, the best bridge, wittner fine tuning pegs, fixed and planed fingerboard.. £800. It was worth every penny. 

[jacobsaunders]

11 minutes ago, Rachell66 said:

... ...

I asked you three times to just tell me what the violin is.....

You know what it is...

I will do homework, get to know the violin on a deeper level. That takes time, reading and looking at pictures, violins.  I would have appreciated an answer, a short explanation from an experienced man of your caliber. I like my violin whatever it is. Thanks

 

Markneukirchen area "Dutzendarbeit", in case BF wasn't clear enough